Originally Posted by sulkair

If you look at the Mock Bid - it is clear KDEN will absolutely be available to new hires.

I count 91 current FOs leaving Denver whether to upgrade out or just transfer out as FO.

The mock bid only shows a net reduction of 46 FO's for Denver by end of year.

This necessitates a backfill of 45 newhire FO's 91-46=45 (well ok, I see 2 non-newhire's bidding DEN FO, so 43 newhires will come into Denver as backfill between now and end of 2015

Granted it's a Mock bid. But assuming it's even only 50% correct, that still requires newhire back fill into Denver which will continue until every FO that has any inclination to upgrade has already done so out of Denver and the only ones left are the senior mamas. That will be a while.

I strongly believe all bases will be available to newhire FO's within a bid period or two for the foreseeable future. Where you hold CA however is an entirely different story. (as we all know)

Originally Posted by Aero1900

I thought P.R. (crew planning guy) said the goal was for it to be 100 crews, or maybe a little larger than Chicago. He has said in the past Chicago would grow to 100 crews, so I suppose Orlando might get up to 150 crews, but I think 100 is more the plan for now.

Originally Posted by sulkair

If you look at the Mock Bid - it is clear KDEN will absolutely be available to new hires.It's only a mock bid and doesn't take into account what speed the company plans to grow other domiciles.

I count 91 current FOs leaving Denver whether to upgrade out or just transfer out as FO, and 2 coming in. Net loss of 89.

The mock bid 'totals page' only shows a net reduction of 46 FO's for Denver by end of year.

This necessitates a backfill of 43 newhire FO's ...89 - 46 = 43 newhires will come into Denver as backfill between now and end of 2015 Anyone who get's assigned DEN out of class will necessarily be at the bottom of the seniority list, and be the first to be displaced if/when that has to happen. I don't think anyone will be assigned DEN; the company will just accelerate the VSAs for other domiciles.

Granted it's a Mock bid. But assuming it's even only 50% correct, that still requires newhire back fill into Denver which will continue until every FO that has any inclination to upgrade has already done so out of Denver and the only ones left are the senior papas & mamas. That will be a while.

Now if you want to make the case for a drastic slashing of Denver to a shadow of it's size, then YES, no-one will ever hold Denver... But, the mock bid isn't indicating that, and furthermore if they did do it, where are they going to put all these crews???? Considering the rate at which we're hiring, this would require making ORD and MCO very big, and / or a 4th base. In the near-term Denver is simply the only 'well' which can hold all these pilots at this time. Again, the mock bid was only to ask the preference of the pilots. It never said, "we're shrinking DEN to XXX number of lines, and XXX pilots, and growing ORD / MCO to XXX by ____date. What do you want to do WHEN you are no longer able to hold DEN?"

In the long run Denver will be senior in both seats, but for now, with only 3 bases and breakneck hiring, I strongly believe all bases will be available to newhire FO's within a bid period or two. Where you hold CA however is an entirely different story. (as we all know) The nice thing is that if a new hire is awarded DEN and displaced (rather than bidding for a VSA) they get moving expenses.

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Originally Posted by Aero1900

I thought P.R. (crew planning guy) said the goal was for it to be 100 crews, or maybe a little larger than Chicago. He has said in the past Chicago would grow to 100 crews, so I suppose Orlando might get up to 150 crews, but I think 100 is more the plan for now.

Originally Posted by kb8018

Another question, how long from day 1 of new hire class does it take to get your company ID and entry into CASS? I am hoping to jumpseat home each Friday after class ends and back to Denver on Sundays. Just curious if I can plan on jumpseating home Friday of that first week. Thanks!

Originally Posted by kb8018

Perfect, there's a DEN flight home on Friday evenings and a home back to DEN flight on Sunday evening so that should work out nicely for my 'observations' haha.