I was thinking the same thing. Darwinism wins again.

 

This is a positive for us. The entire industry average compensation is going up. Since we began negotiations, Allegiant and SW have gotten big pay raises. Hawaiian and Delta should have raises sooner than later. JetBlue and Spirit are also ahead of us on their negotiations as well. So by the time we are getting close on ours, the industry average will have been brought up substantially. I congratulate SW

 

Exactly, the cost of a pilot is solidifying. Each day mgmt drags their feet, the more favorable conditions become for us. Wn hopefully ratifies a solid contract that establishes reasonable pay, benefits, retirement, and NO PBS!! Our mgmt will not have much of a choice, pay or we will strike with unity. If they feel as though we are not worth it, they may need to find another business to go rape and pillage!!

 

Exactly! Everyone needs to relax. Every contract hashed out first raises the bar further.
PBS in my opinion will be a sticking point, same as Spirit. Hard to argue for industry standard except PBS when it's nearly the standard.

 

I know that the union has said no to PBS, but I wonder what the majority of our pilots would need in pay to accept PBS? Everything is sale for a price! But let's not. I really really enjoy our vacation policy.

 

Are you referring to the new Assistant Chief Pilot? If so, do you know him personally? Have you had any dealings with him? I ask because I believe, if you had, your post would have a differnet tone. I would be very surprised if he's lirking or posting on this website. He has waaayyy too many other things to keep him busy outside of his managment duties to be wasting time here. Hell, before he ever became and ACP, he worked his PE stuff from his hotel room all the time. I happen to know him; not well, mind you, but I do know him. And I know him to be both a gentleman ith humility and, until he proves himself differently (which I highly doubt he will), a stand-up guy. Just because he chose to take a job in managment does not make him a bad person....maybe he's trying to make things better for all of us....maybe he figured that would be the best way to ride out what would have otherwise been commuting to fukking reserve....maybe he's trying to better his application for Delta (God help him) or United.....maybe, maybe, maybe......

Trust me, I'm certainly no managment troll or wanna-be, but one thing I am is a solid judge of character, and, in my eyes, he has an outstanding one.

I don't post on this board much, but I do call bullsh!t when I see it; and, if your post refers to him, it's bullsh!t. If it doesn't, then carry on and I apologize.

 

Trowser and Aero 1900 - is it just a coincidence that you two post very similar ideas / concepts right after each other ? - I have noticed it more than once. Just my forensic analysis.

Unless you guys are twins I'm guessing you are the same person - Am I right?

 

Just coincidence. I don't know Aero from Adam.

My PBS comment is not an "idea/concept". It's pretty much common sense.
You sit down to negotiate in front of an arbitrator demanding industry standard pay be prepared to here the same in return from across the table on other issues.
I didn't give an opinion on PBS either way. I do know DAL, UAL, AA, B6, and others seem to have figured out a way to make it work.

 

Anyone willing to give up line-bidding for a fee should ask the flight attendants how well PBS works for them, particularly the senior ones. Vacation is one of the better deals we have, particularly when you don't come into work.

 

There will be another recession, terrorist attack, oil crisis etc. and management can easily claw back whatever increased pay rates we receive in the next contract. Once we give away line bidding it will be gone forever. Southwest just kept their line bidding/vacation touching and will be the highest paid narrow body pilots in the industry. I don't think it's an unreasonable ask by our NC to keep the status qou in regard to scheduling.