I'm thinking he means file for mediation by Friday, not actually seen by a mediator on Friday.

Edit - Well.... Look at that. Just checked my email. We filed today.

 

We have a WINNER!👍

I heard that FAPA once filed a fistful of very consequential grievances the evening of the Christmas party. Lorenzo would only file his big motions on the eve of Jewish high holy days.
If you don't think this gets personal quickly you're mistaken.

 

This is a good post. And yes, of course we can get released.

Spirit was released and asking for MORE than some of the legacies, they were in BK. They came out with an, at the time, industry leading contract.

This all I've been trying to say all along.
Stay positive.
Stay committed.
Stay unified.
Stay professional and we will get this done.

 

i don't fault you for being upset, but it is only personal for you and angry others like you. this is NOT frank lorenzo we are dealing with. they are indeed not nice people, but we are not even in the same ballpark. the analogy is....ridiculous. history shows that frank was, well....ruthless and pure evil. this mgt group is here to simply make as much money as they can. it is NOT personal for them. if we are going to get anywhere, we(as in you) are going to need to separate these two important aspects and start thinking rationally. you are making a mistake to think this is personal for them. i promise you it is not. they look at it as doing business the same way they have been doing business for however many years they have been doing this. take a deep breath. think about it.....you are approaching this all wrong. at the end of the day we are dealing with pragmatists. not lorenzos. they will cave at the eleventh hour because that is the pragmatic business decision that will need to be made when the time comes.


instead of concentrating on burning the place to the ground, we need to channel efforts into getting released as soon as possible.

 

Hey everyone, long time listener, first time caller. Lol
I got a call from Frontier this past Monday. They have invited me to Denver to interview. I've not received an e-mail yet with any logistics. Did you guys get yours right away, or does it take some time.

Thanks!!

 

I will mark this statement here. And come back in a year and see how that release went.

 

It may take longer than that.

 

Oh really. How long? I only ask, because you sound so sure of yourself.

 

[QUOTE=flyboyx;2209193]i don't fault you for being upset, but it is only personal for you and angry others like you. this is NOT frank lorenzo we are dealing with. they are indeed not nice people, but we are not even in the same ballpark. the analogy is....ridiculous. history shows that frank was, well....ruthless and pure evil. this mgt group is here to simply make as much money as they can. it is NOT personal for them. if we are going to get anywhere, we(as in you) are going to need to separate these two important aspects and start thinking rationally. you are making a mistake to think this is personal for them. i promise you it is not. they look at it as doing business the same way they have been doing business for however many years they have been doing this. take a deep breath. think about it.....you are approaching this all wrong. at the end of the day we are dealing with pragmatists. not lorenzos. they will cave at the eleventh hour because that is the pragmatic business decision that will need to be made when the time comes.

Sorry but I disagree. There is a right way and a wrong way to treat your employees and other human beings in general. You can chalk up their actions as "good business" but the current state of our operation demonstrates otherwise. Ya they saved some money in the short term by laying off some of the very people who built this airline but it will cost them in the long run. I doubt Indigo cares about being first in customer satisfaction and on time arrivals but they sure as hell don't want to be a distant last right before their IPO. We've already had one CEO fired recently for poor operational performance it wouldn't surprise me to see a second.

Here is what I don't understand, it's in Indigo's best interest to preserve the status quo for as long as possible. They are literally getting 230 seat A321 pilots at below regional pay rates. Negotiations under the RLA are a game of appearances. A shrewd management team would make an offer low enough they knew wouldn't be accepted but reasonable enough to keep the union at the table. Now instead of drawing the process out with feints and empty promises like Spirit management did for over a year Indigo is likely going to find themselves in mediation with federally mandated meetings in which the mediators are going to want to see at least some reasonable progress. No more cancelling meetings at the last minute or showing up completely unprepared. Not to mention now there is a real possibility your most expensive labor group may get released to strike at some point in the future. Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe Indigo has been playing this game for so long on such an uneven playing field we're just all stuck hanging on what is going to be a very bumpy ride. Are we really dealing with the B team? Does none of this actually matter because a merger/acquisition is in the works? Call me stupid but I just don't get their strategy up to this point. The last three months have been a disaster, how is that good for any of the parties involved?

 

The strategy is simple and has been used often in the airline industry for decades. It's called hard ball negotiations.

Not sure what disaster your referencing. If it's the ramp issues they already spent through the same nonsense at Spirit.