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10-01-2016, 12:27 PM
#5611
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Originally Posted by monkeybrains
$240 is your bottom number and our proposal is $245, so what am I missing?
You would vote no to $245/hr, 16%DC contribution, 5:15 Min day, 1-3:5 trig rig, 200% JA/VJA pay, 100% DH, $2.30/hr per diem, night and intl override, elimination of the working spouse and additional child surcharge, broadening and strengthening of Section 1. In all fairness, there has not been a ton of info about scheduling, vacation or sick time, but, no vote?? YGTBSM.
You would vote no to $245/hr, 16%DC contribution, 5:15 Min day, 1-3:5 trig rig, 200% JA/VJA pay, 100% DH, $2.30/hr per diem, night and intl override, elimination of the working spouse and additional child surcharge, broadening and strengthening of Section 1. In all fairness, there has not been a ton of info about scheduling, vacation or sick time, but, no vote?? YGTBSM.
LOA67 proposed rates seem to be so low compared to what is going on now with other airlines.
10-01-2016, 02:08 PM
#5612
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Position: Bus CA
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I believe the LOA67 interim pay proposal was intended to be MORE than reasonable, with the thought that an arbitrator would see it the same way. And awards from arbitration are typically retroactive (back to the date the grievance was filed). If we shot for the moon on the LOA67 interim pay proposal, the arbitrator likely wouldn't agree with those rate increases - instead it was MORE than reasonable and the arbitrator is more likely to side with the union's proposal. It's a game and the union is playing to win. So far I think the decision-making by our union has been excellent.
10-01-2016, 02:33 PM
#5613
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Originally Posted by monkeybrains
$240 is your bottom number and our proposal is $245, so what am I missing?
You would vote no to $245/hr, 16%DC contribution, 5:15 Min day, 1-3:5 trig rig, 200% JA/VJA pay, 100% DH, $2.30/hr per diem, night and intl override, elimination of the working spouse and additional child surcharge, broadening and strengthening of Section 1. In all fairness, there has not been a ton of info about scheduling, vacation or sick time, but, no vote?? YGTBSM.
You would vote no to $245/hr, 16%DC contribution, 5:15 Min day, 1-3:5 trig rig, 200% JA/VJA pay, 100% DH, $2.30/hr per diem, night and intl override, elimination of the working spouse and additional child surcharge, broadening and strengthening of Section 1. In all fairness, there has not been a ton of info about scheduling, vacation or sick time, but, no vote?? YGTBSM.
But yes, it's too low at this point in time.
10-01-2016, 05:01 PM
#5617
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Originally Posted by madmax757
Why does the union keep saying first or second quarter 2017 then?
I sure hope I'm wrong though.
10-01-2016, 06:05 PM
#5618
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Originally Posted by madmax757
Why does the union keep saying first or second quarter 2017 then?
10-01-2016, 08:32 PM
#5619
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Position: CRJ-200 CA
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Excuse my naïveté here but perhaps the NMB would see past practices and not take 3 years to release us... the whole point of managements proposal to us was to drag this bs out... no dhd pay?? Ok we'll give you 75%... negotiating in good faith... no trip rig? Ok we'll give you 3.6:1... negotiating in good faith... no union input on hotels? Ok they have a say but the room can't cost more than $20/night.... negotiating in good faith... they can give us little things here and there and drag this out for a lonnnnnnng time... our only hope is someone on the NMB has some scruples and realizes the game they're playing... otherwise it's gonna be cat and mouse for many moons... indigo won't give us diddly poo until they absolutely HAVE to
10-01-2016, 09:01 PM
#5620
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Position: El Capitan de Airbii
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Originally Posted by NWSteeringArmer
Excuse my naïveté here but perhaps the NMB would see past practices and not take 3 years to release us... the whole point of managements proposal to us was to drag this bs out... no dhd pay?? Ok we'll give you 75%... negotiating in good faith... no trip rig? Ok we'll give you 3.6:1... negotiating in good faith... no union input on hotels? Ok they have a say but the room can't cost more than $20/night.... negotiating in good faith... they can give us little things here and there and drag this out for a lonnnnnnng time... our only hope is someone on the NMB has some scruples and realizes the game they're playing... otherwise it's gonna be cat and mouse for many moons... indigo won't give us diddly poo until they absolutely HAVE to
I would agree with you and the similar sentiment of many here that this is the case, however, I truly believe that supply and demand for pilots is going to force the company's hand much sooner. This pilot group just needs to stay true to our resolve, and not settle for anything less than going rate for A320 pilots in the industry despite whatever threats and lies come our way from management.
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