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Old 10-19-2016, 05:11 AM
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How long before I can hold a commutable line as an F9 FO DEN?
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Old 10-19-2016, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MichiganFlyer View Post
With the iPads, is there any particular advantage or reason to get a cellular model? I'm not really planning on paying the extra for a data package.
I believe only the cellular capable version has GPS installed. My wifi only model certainly doesn't have it.

Other than that, not really.
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Old 10-19-2016, 05:37 AM
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How long before I can hold a commutable line as an F9 FO DEN?
Approximately 8 years.
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Old 10-19-2016, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MichiganFlyer View Post
With the iPads, is there any particular advantage or reason to get a cellular model? I'm not really planning on paying the extra for a data package.
Cell models have the GPS, which is handy with or without using a data plan. Particularly if you plan to use it for any, um, family road trips where you want to look at your ownship--er, I mean, car's position on the chart--er, I mean, road map....
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Old 10-19-2016, 06:42 AM
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Fully commutable lines are hit or miss in Denver depending on the month. I've been here a little under two years, about half way up the seniority list in DEN, and if I work weekends I can hold mostly commutable lines. Between line bids and trading with open time I have no trouble making my schedule commutable every week. Now, if you get pickier and want weekends off, efficient trips, no red eyes, etc, that is a lot more difficult. Overall, I have decent amount of control over my schedule, but I fly red eyes and inefficient trips (low pay for 3-4 days of work) to have that flexibility
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Old 10-19-2016, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by OpenClimb View Post
Approximately 8 years.
Seriously?
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Old 10-19-2016, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by shreddykreuger View Post
Fully commutable lines are hit or miss in Denver depending on the month. I've been here a little under two years, about half way up the seniority list in DEN, and if I work weekends I can hold mostly commutable lines. Between line bids and trading with open time I have no trouble making my schedule commutable every week. Now, if you get pickier and want weekends off, efficient trips, no red eyes, etc, that is a lot more difficult. Overall, I have decent amount of control over my schedule, but I fly red eyes and inefficient trips (low pay for 3-4 days of work) to have that flexibility
that's good info.
Thanks. how long will a typical new hire sit reserve in DEN? are there any commutable reserve lines?
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Old 10-19-2016, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dotsero View Post
that's good info.
Thanks. how long will a typical new hire sit reserve in DEN? are there any commutable reserve lines?
Guys are getting relief lines right now within two to three months.
Most of the reserve lines are commutable from the start. You'll need a crash pad or some place to stay on your reserve days if you don't fly. Same as everywhere else.
Within two to three months some guys are holding long call reserve lines. 8hr and 12hr.
We have reserve shifts that are commutable in and out of the same day. Some just commutable out on last day or first day.
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Old 10-19-2016, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dracir1 View Post
The suck will continue as long as the current management and ownership remain. Pay will get better eventually but will never be industry leading nor will the QoL conditions be top notch.

Only way to the promised land is via a different (better run) airline or new management.
Simply not true. Spirit airlines attained an industry leading contract with the same ownership group.
It took a strike and may also here. But it will happen.
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Old 10-19-2016, 08:30 AM
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Info above about DEN reserve is spot on. In ORD, reserve will be much, much longer, at least as it sits now. Bottom guy there looks to be an April new hire and you'll need at least 10-15 people below you to hold a relief line. And the only way people are getting awarded it now are through just a couple of secondary awards from the vacancies. A vast majority of the new hires in the past few classes got DEN, but last vacancy had a bunch of MCO. Just hard to predict right now. Once the net growth starts kicking in and/or a new base is opened, then it will probably change things up again.
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