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Old 10-19-2016, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy View Post
Unreal that Allegiant is a better option tha. NKS & F9 currently. Unreal......I hope it changes for both our airlines soon
It's not unreal, it's the airline industry. If you don't like something right now just wait, it will change. Everything changes in this industry.

In 2006 Spirit airlines looked more promising than USAir. NKS also had better Airbus rates than most.

Alegiant wasn't a blip on the radar. In fact a year ago Alegiant had major management/pilot relation issues.

In the late 90's early 2000's Airborne Express was per hour one of the highest paying airlines on the planet with the best retirement package.
I was hired there. Ask me how that went.

This too shall pass and change.
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Old 10-19-2016, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli View Post
Guys are getting relief lines right now within two to three months.
Most of the reserve lines are commutable from the start. You'll need a crash pad or some place to stay on your reserve days if you don't fly. Same as everywhere else.
Within two to three months some guys are holding long call reserve lines. 8hr and 12hr.
We have reserve shifts that are commutable in and out of the same day. Some just commutable out on last day or first day.
10 hour and 12 hour. 117 changed medium to 10 hours.
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Old 10-19-2016, 11:56 AM
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Apparently we have taken delivery of our first NEO. Good news.

Frontier Takes Delivery of First A320neo | AirlineGeeks.com
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Old 10-19-2016, 12:36 PM
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Good info Trowserchilli and I agree completely! Things will definitely change, and Frontier most certainly can be a great place to work again in the future.

With that being said, I've got to finally ask about that screen name of yours. It's been bugging me? The thing that comes to mind whenever I see it is 'Trouser Chili'. The only thing that comes to mind when I vision "chili in someone's trousers" is not that pleasant of a thought?!?

Help me to understand!?
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Old 10-19-2016, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy View Post
Unreal that Allegiant is a better option tha. NKS & F9 currently. Unreal......I hope it changes for both our airlines soon
If you want things to improve, convince the regional pilots to stay away!
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Old 10-19-2016, 01:05 PM
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If you want things to improve, convince the regional pilots to stay away!
Same can be said about Mesa but unfortunately you and others went there lol...
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Old 10-19-2016, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Kettlebell View Post
Spot on. I am a little past one year at F9. I left here from regional left seat. I am still catching up to what I would have been making the regional, and it this rate it will take me several years. The management here does not care about making this a place people want to work, in fact they are determined to pinch pennies and everything is getting worse- from trip productivity to layover hotels.

Morale is incredibly low for everyone from flight crews to our outsourced gate agents and ground crew who are forced to do more and more with less and less resources. Employees and passengers alike are suffering due to the greed and short sightedness of our management, amid record profits.

It would be one thing IF this airline was well run but it isn't. The new NEO's deliveries we were supposed to be getting are delayed due to the MX program not being approved for them. On that note the mechanics are also trying to get a fair contract and being squeezed to the bone by management. They care nothing of good labor relations. Keep that in mind when looking at F9.
Thanks, I spoke with HR, expressed my concerns in as nice as way as possible and made it clear that it isn't worth either of our time to continue the process.
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Old 10-19-2016, 03:32 PM
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Spot on. I am a little past one year at F9. I left here from regional left seat. I am still catching up to what I would have been making the regional, and it this rate it will take me several years. The management here does not care about making this a place people want to work, in fact they are determined to pinch pennies and everything is getting worse- from trip productivity to layover hotels.

Morale is incredibly low for everyone from flight crews to our outsourced gate agents and ground crew who are forced to do more and more with less and less resources. Employees and passengers alike are suffering due to the greed and short sightedness of our management, amid record profits.

It would be one thing IF this airline was well run but it isn't. The new NEO's deliveries we were supposed to be getting are delayed due to the MX program not being approved for them. On that note the mechanics are also trying to get a fair contract and being squeezed to the bone by management. They care nothing of good labor relations. Keep that in mind when looking at F9.
Are you saying you came to F9 without knowing what the pay and benefits were? Seriously, who does that?

You can always leave F9 for a direct entry Captain position at a Regional and make more money, right? Oh wait, that would mean you'd have to again get used to being treated like a small farm animal with, at best, 12 days off per month.

How many days off you have last month? That's what I thought.

You made the decision to come here knowing the pay AND knowing that we are years away from a new contract. What, you think management is just gonna suddenly adopt a Santa Claus complex and give you a pay raise out of the goodness of their hearts? That doesn't happen...anywhere without a fight...ever.

Come on guys, wake up. This is reality.
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Old 10-19-2016, 04:10 PM
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Same can be said about Mesa but unfortunately you and others went there lol...
This situation is different
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Old 10-20-2016, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SpankysLadder View Post
You made the decision to come here knowing the pay AND knowing that we are years away from a new contract. What, you think management is just gonna suddenly adopt a Santa Claus complex and give you a pay raise out of the goodness of their hearts? That doesn't happen...anywhere without a fight...ever.
Frontier opened up the contract out of cycle in 2001 and increased wages. So it does happen.
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