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Old 07-17-2018, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Brody View Post
Any idea what F9 attrition is right now (besides the firings)? I have heard 6-9 per month total. Sounds like we are hiring only to cover this, hence no upgrades.
Not trying to start rumors just curious as to what is going on.
I don’t think it’s even that high. Meanwhile classes still running 20+ each month. So no VSA/upgrades is odd.
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Old 07-17-2018, 12:14 PM
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COME ON DOWN! Frontier is offering the deal of a lifetime! Bottom of the barrel pay, poor healthcare, and empty promises of a new contract and fast upgrades.

BUT WAIT THERE’S MORE, Frontier has a new sick policy. In your first year at Frontier you’ll be guaranteed NOT to be sick, because you’ll be fired if you make a sick call. Imagine the opportunity, you’ll never be sick and you can have a great chance to ruin your career.

This is not a limited time offer, but will be offered for the foreseeable future.
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Brody View Post
Any idea what F9 attrition is right now (besides the firings)? I have heard 6-9 per month total. Sounds like we are hiring only to cover this, hence no upgrades.
Not trying to start rumors just curious as to what is going on.
One year ago we had 1149 pilots total.
July 2018 Seniority says 1249
I was almost last on that list last year. I’ve only moved up 33 numbers. That’s 2.75 per month. The growth will be next year. And I don’t see anyone going anywhere right now.
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde View Post
BUT WAIT THERE’S MORE, Frontier has a new sick policy. In your first year at Frontier you’ll be guaranteed NOT to be sick, because you’ll be fired if you make a sick call. Imagine the opportunity, you’ll never be sick and you can have a great chance to ruin your career.
Actually, as I learned today, that couldn't be further from the truth.

The guys who were fired had over 40 sick days prior to being let go.
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DENpilot View Post
Actually, as I learned today, that couldn't be further from the truth.

The guys who were fired had over 40 sick days prior to being let go.
Big question, were they covered by legit doctor's notes?
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Arliss View Post
Big question, were they covered by legit doctor's notes?
I don't know... but regardless, that is A LOT of sick time usage in a year.
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DENpilot View Post
Actually, as I learned today, that couldn't be further from the truth.

The guys who were fired had over 40 sick days prior to being let go.
Do you know how many were actually fired? I heard 10?
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Need a real job View Post
Do you know how many were actually fired? I heard 10?
Was most definitely not 10. Only 3. Anyone with Flica access can confirm this. A real time seniority list is kept within the current system bid folder.
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Old 07-19-2018, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Powderkeg View Post
I don’t think it’s even that high. Meanwhile classes still running 20+ each month. So no VSA/upgrades is odd.
Anyone know why they didn’t run a VSA for July? I heard they hired 20+ guys. Maybe it’s a sign they’re backed up in sims and don’t expect them to be put on the line by October?
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Old 07-19-2018, 04:45 PM
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New hires will have a very short leash now. This new Pilot Peer Program will keep you in check. I guess there have been a few failing out lately.
Here is just a sample of the new program.

The goal of the Pilot Peer Review program is to provide oversight and guidance to new-hire / probationary First
Officers through evaluation of six criteria to include:
- Flying in accordance with Standard Operating Procedures (SOP)
- Pilot duties (i.e. walk-around, Pilot Flying/Monitoring)
- Knowledge (FAR’s, Flight Operations Manuals, etc.)
- Crew Resource Management (CRM)
- Professionalism
- Appearance (i.e. uniform standards and overall appearance)
The success of the program rests within the hands of the largest stakeholders, the Pilots. Open and honest
feedback allows us to ensure the success of our Pilot group. A brief Program Overview includes:
- First Officer’s will be required to obtain three (3) New Hire Pilot Reviews from Captains with whom
they have flown within six (6) months from date of hire.
- After obtaining three reports, no later than 6 months, the First Officer will meet with their respective
Base Chief Pilot to review their peer reports.
- Base Chief Pilots will, in person, review performance standards and expectations with corrective
actions and/or commendations and determine if subsequent meetings are required at nine (9) months
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