Originally Posted by dosbo

What is not true? You are not making a reference to anything.

Originally Posted by ATLPilot404

Sorry Im so late kinda new to this whole thing... Anyways Im a GJ pilot furloughed out of one the "premier regionals" ;-)... Honestly I don't know if I'll accept my recall. I love it at GJ great people, fun crews, and I hold a decent schedule making average if not more than other pilots with my longevity. Now the question on mistreatment: I have seen a few cowardly acts of prejudice to towards GJ pilots but as always these cowards are non-confrontational and tend to act when they can't be refuted. That being said, it has happened twice in 2yrs, by individuals who have never worked for TSH and know very little. To answer your question about working for GJ: it is a smaller regional that's understaffed, I didn't like reserve one bit but I commuted. Overall I'd say go for it, great crews!!! Unlike some of the "premiers" where most guys like it too much to leave, and get grumpy because they wanted to fly big iron but now they're too old. Anyways hope this was some help, hope to see you on the line.

Originally Posted by SpiraMirabilis

Not a single pilot who ever worked at GoJet has ever been hired at AirTran, there are a lot of ex-TSA guys there...

Originally Posted by ATLPilot404

Sorry new to the site please forgive me

Originally Posted by dosbo

+1

Scab lists have been remembered for decades. I know there is a difference and alter ego pilots are not scabs, but the airlines you work for will be remembered as setting the bar for compensation at new low levels and have cost others in the industry pay and benefits as well. Some to remember are Freedom, Go Jet, Skybus. Your willingness to accept industry low wages in order to further your personal gain will be remembered. Remember to list these airlines with pride on your resume and job applications.

Originally Posted by dosbo

It used to be you could have a decent quality of life and make a reasonable income at some of the regionals; Skywest, Horizon, Air Wisconsin, ACA. Then the undercutting began by new or uniformed pilots seeking the fast upgrade over quality of life and income at airlines such as; Mesa, Colgan, Republic, Go Jet. Some pilots were willing to sell themselves cheap so they could upgrade fast get 1000 TPIC and move on. Only problem is mainline kept growing the regionals with larger and larger replacement jets, exploiting greedy pilots, with minimal hiring or shrinkage at mainline. For example United has shrunk thier pilot list by nearly 50% since I decided to get in this side of the business. Those jobs didn't go away they just went to the regional pilots looking for the fast upgrade so they could move on. My question is move on to where? That last hiring wave wasn't very large and didn't last long.

There has been no consistent significant hiring at the majors since the RJ bonanza began and there won't be as long as pilots are willing to fly larger and larger aircraft at lower rates with the hope of getting their upgrade and moving on. How many people on here would salivate at the prospect of flying 100+ seat aircraft at their regional because it would allow them to upgrade then move on? Think about that.

ACA (aka Independence Air) is out of business because they would not sell themselves cheaply. Air Wisconsin is flying on a concessionary contract with 50 seat rates that with rigs beat most 70 and some 90 seat rates. Their pilots unwillingness to take further concessions cost them their United contract and will probably put them out of business when the US Air contract is up.

My point is when you go to a regional, quality of life and pay should be the primary consideration. You may end up being there much longer than planned. Until we as pilots start looking at each job we take as a long term prospect we will not demand appropriate compensation. Compensation includes; pay, benefits, time off, and any thing else that improves your and your families (yes some people need to support families) overall quality of life.

If you feel that a career at Go Jet provides an adequate quality of life for you and your family then enjoy. I will keep my expectations where they are and will only fly for adequate compensation. If that means that I remain furloughed then so be it. I won't stay in this business if the airlines aren't willing to compensate me appropriately for my skills and experience, you can have it.

What will be unfortunate for you is when in several years some new or alter ego entity decides to fly 90 seats for less than your 70 seat rates. If you feel you are properly compensated at Go Jet then all I have to say is enjoy you future. I'll just keep my panties bunched up.

Disclaimer: The above listed airlines and pilot groups are listed as examples in no particular order and are not all inclusive of the involved parties in the regional airline debacle.

Originally Posted by dosbo

If you are truly happy there best of luck. I suggest you compare your 5yr capt rates with AWAC 5 yr capt rates. You are flying a 70 seat acft for less than 50 seat concessionary rates at a former premium regional. I say less than because I doubt Go Jet has much in the way of soft time.

I hope you have a long career with Go Jet.

Originally Posted by Zapata

To say that working at Horizon, Skywest, ASA is better than working at Mesa, GoJet, Republic etc. is like saying that it is better to eat at Applebee's than to eat at McDonald's. The insignificant differences really don't matter when all of the food is crap.

Originally Posted by ATLPilot404

See that's what people don't get. No one well I guess I shouldn't say no one, but most people don't plan on staying at a regional. The ones that get stuck making $95/hr flying CRJs end up making the job miserable for guys that are just stopping in to build time and move on. Right now my goal is to do the best job I can build my time move on and of course enjoy the ride. That not getting a job thing is BS... plus who would want to work for people who discriminates. BTW AirTran isn't the new Delta so wouldn't want to hop on that wagon I want to go across the pond one day

Originally Posted by dosbo

I agree with your analogy. Also if given the choice between Applebee's and McDonald's I'll take Applebee's. Overall better atmosphere, broader selection of food, and a wait staff to serve. Certainly not a four star resturant but definately a step above McDonald's. Personally I refuse to eat at McDonald's because as you said the food is crap. I prefer to eat out less often and get a better dining experience for my money.