Thoughts about CURRENT GoJet
07-06-2010, 11:17 AM
#81
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Originally Posted by 19delta
I did the uncle hulie thing for several years. First and foremost, the airline business has an unsustainable model of doing business. It's a loser no matter how far up or down you look at it. Big companies (majors) lose money and small companies (regionals) make it at a cost of personal misery, misfortune and bloated ideology that it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, which, for you newby low time guy's, that will be your breakfast, lunch and dinner. Hopefully you live at home or with family that is willing to have you there so you don't have to pay rent.
The regional low cost carrier, not to mention deregulation, killed this industry. When you figure your cost of training, you'll quickly find out that the amount of work you have to perform to pay that back is maddening. You will be pushed by the company, doesn't matter which one it is, to a degree of anger, frustration, and disappointment beyond your imagination. YOU WILL MAKE LESS MONEY AND CARRY MORE DEBT OVER TIME THAN YOU THOUGHT WAS POSSIBLE!
I left the business, and have considered going back to it (regional, that is) and the idea of slogging it out there makes me feel very feculent; feculent defined: filled with filth and human waste; used in a sentence; my feculence for regional flying is at all time high. So, if and when you decide NEWBY AIRLINE PILOT to get in to this game (and it is a GAME, believe me) make absolutely G*D D*MN sure you have a back up plan and something, some form of education or experience in a different field that you can get yourself in to.
You will be treated like a dog and then beat like a punching bag in a prison. If you are looking for fast upgrade, good luck, that ship sailed for most companies a few years back. Be prepared monkey's for right seat freedom for years, not to mention the fun of being on RESERVE FOR SIX DAYS STRAIGHT, maybe you'll fly, maybe you won't, but one thing is for sure, the company will not release you until the absolute last minute of your last day. If you miss the last flight home (commuters), SUCK IT, to bad *********, enjoy your 1.5 days off, and, oh by the way, you have to come back on your day off because your reserve starts at 5am the next morning.
Be sure you want to do this. In the words of the Mighty Hetfield (metallica, losers) BROKEN BEAT SCARRED.
The regional low cost carrier, not to mention deregulation, killed this industry. When you figure your cost of training, you'll quickly find out that the amount of work you have to perform to pay that back is maddening. You will be pushed by the company, doesn't matter which one it is, to a degree of anger, frustration, and disappointment beyond your imagination. YOU WILL MAKE LESS MONEY AND CARRY MORE DEBT OVER TIME THAN YOU THOUGHT WAS POSSIBLE!
I left the business, and have considered going back to it (regional, that is) and the idea of slogging it out there makes me feel very feculent; feculent defined: filled with filth and human waste; used in a sentence; my feculence for regional flying is at all time high. So, if and when you decide NEWBY AIRLINE PILOT to get in to this game (and it is a GAME, believe me) make absolutely G*D D*MN sure you have a back up plan and something, some form of education or experience in a different field that you can get yourself in to.
You will be treated like a dog and then beat like a punching bag in a prison. If you are looking for fast upgrade, good luck, that ship sailed for most companies a few years back. Be prepared monkey's for right seat freedom for years, not to mention the fun of being on RESERVE FOR SIX DAYS STRAIGHT, maybe you'll fly, maybe you won't, but one thing is for sure, the company will not release you until the absolute last minute of your last day. If you miss the last flight home (commuters), SUCK IT, to bad *********, enjoy your 1.5 days off, and, oh by the way, you have to come back on your day off because your reserve starts at 5am the next morning.
Be sure you want to do this. In the words of the Mighty Hetfield (metallica, losers) BROKEN BEAT SCARRED.
07-06-2010, 12:34 PM
#82
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Originally Posted by dosbo
+1
Scab lists have been remembered for decades. I know there is a difference and alter ego pilots are not scabs, but the airlines you work for will be remembered as setting the bar for compensation at new low levels and have cost others in the industry pay and benefits as well. Some to remember are Freedom, Go Jet, Skybus. Your willingness to accept industry low wages in order to further your personal gain will be remembered. Remember to list these airlines with pride on your resume and job applications.
Scab lists have been remembered for decades. I know there is a difference and alter ego pilots are not scabs, but the airlines you work for will be remembered as setting the bar for compensation at new low levels and have cost others in the industry pay and benefits as well. Some to remember are Freedom, Go Jet, Skybus. Your willingness to accept industry low wages in order to further your personal gain will be remembered. Remember to list these airlines with pride on your resume and job applications.
07-06-2010, 05:26 PM
#83
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Originally Posted by Purpleanga
flaps9, there's no one to blame but management and the very weak toilet paper contract TSA has. To this day, almost a decade later it's still causing major hardship.
P.P, S.P, D.T...he left for another undercutting opportunity at Sky Bus
, J.N, E.O, B.G, P.S, C.F, Y.B, J.A, C.T, D.R...The "VP" of flight ops 
...D.C, D.K and a few others are who I blame.I will NEVER forget
07-06-2010, 05:41 PM
#84
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Can they close this thread, all it is..is pilots complaining about Gojets , at this point there is no facts or answers being given anymore but hatred....We know there is a dislike between carriers and Gojets. Thats my 2cents I have better things to do with my life then complain on an online forum....sorry if Gojets, Mesa, or whoever screwed your career or rights over its mgmt and ofcourse we can fight like Spirit did against mgmt but its not happening for what I can see. Major, Regionals, Cargo LCC this industry isn't gonna get better unless we all team up which is far fetched and seems impossible....We share the sky together and on a daily basis are responsible for hundreds of lives of fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, babies, grandparents e.t.c. Sure this post didn't and will do nothing but be considered flamebait or whatever I just had to say this from reading the posts
I am on furlough from a ALPA regional and still on it
I am on furlough from a ALPA regional and still on it
07-06-2010, 10:10 PM
#85
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Originally Posted by CTPILOT
Can they close this thread, all it is..is pilots complaining about Gojets , at this point there is no facts or answers being given anymore but hatred....We know there is a dislike between carriers and Gojets. Thats my 2cents I have better things to do with my life then complain on an online forum....sorry if Gojets, Mesa, or whoever screwed your career or rights over its mgmt and ofcourse we can fight like Spirit did against mgmt but its not happening for what I can see. Major, Regionals, Cargo LCC this industry isn't gonna get better unless we all team up which is far fetched and seems impossible....We share the sky together and on a daily basis are responsible for hundreds of lives of fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, babies, grandparents e.t.c. Sure this post didn't and will do nothing but be considered flamebait or whatever I just had to say this from reading the posts
I am on furlough from a ALPA regional and still on it
I am on furlough from a ALPA regional and still on it
07-07-2010, 03:34 AM
#86
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Originally Posted by CTPILOT
Can they close this thread, all it is..is pilots complaining about Gojets , at this point there is no facts or answers being given anymore but hatred....We know there is a dislike between carriers and Gojets. Thats my 2cents I have better things to do with my life then complain on an online forum....sorry if Gojets, Mesa, or whoever screwed your career or rights over its mgmt and ofcourse we can fight like Spirit did against mgmt but its not happening for what I can see. Major, Regionals, Cargo LCC this industry isn't gonna get better unless we all team up which is far fetched and seems impossible....We share the sky together and on a daily basis are responsible for hundreds of lives of fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, babies, grandparents e.t.c. Sure this post didn't and will do nothing but be considered flamebait or whatever I just had to say this from reading the posts
I am on furlough from a ALPA regional and still on it
I am on furlough from a ALPA regional and still on it
The original Go Jet pilots are the greatest culprits in the mess because they helped start an alter ego airline to undercut wages at TSA while TSA was trying to negotiate higher wages for that airframe. Although those that currently take jobs at Go Jet aren't the original culprits, they do provide the resources to management to continue operating an airline that has pushed wages lower. Therefore I feel they still bear some significant responsibility for sustaining the low wages. Basic supply and demand, if there were no supply of pilots willing to sell their skills at such a low rate the rates would have to go up. By swallowing the bait of "get in get time and move on" at any cost continues to feed operations such as Go Jet. It is a downward spiraling operation that can only function by continually depressing working conditions and cannot survive in the long term. The business model has worked well for Mesa and I doubt will work any better for Go Jet.
The only exception I will consider making is the furloughed United pilots that get preferential hiring for being displaced from their job. They are flying aircraft with their livery on it and preventing a starry eyed pilot with SJS from getting that position. Also I am quite sure that furloughed United pilots will be flying strictly per the contract, FOM, and FAR's. We all know how this can affect operations.
07-07-2010, 05:58 AM
#87
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I'm glad you have shown some distinction. I would have much preferred to work anywhere rather than GoJets, but was unable to secure permanent work for 8 months after getting the boot from big blue
Look, every complaint on this board about Transstates Holdings mgt is true. And since it's the same mgt for TSA - they have alot to be angry about. I cannot answer for the past, but looking forward the fight is with Hulas not the other employee groups. I'm sure he (mgt) is laughing everytime the TSA Vs GoJet Vs Alter Ego #3 rant is in full cry.
Note: Thankfully I have found other work outside the sickness of outsourcing and alter egos, but I am very strongly against the practice.
Ok - flame away all you immature haters out there
Quote:
The only exception I will consider making is the furloughed United pilots that get preferential hiring for being displaced from their job. They are flying aircraft with their livery on it and preventing a starry eyed pilot with SJS from getting that position. Also I am quite sure that furloughed United pilots will be flying strictly per the contract, FOM, and FAR's. We all know how this can affect operations.[/quote]
Look, every complaint on this board about Transstates Holdings mgt is true. And since it's the same mgt for TSA - they have alot to be angry about. I cannot answer for the past, but looking forward the fight is with Hulas not the other employee groups. I'm sure he (mgt) is laughing everytime the TSA Vs GoJet Vs Alter Ego #3 rant is in full cry.Note: Thankfully I have found other work outside the sickness of outsourcing and alter egos, but I am very strongly against the practice.
Ok - flame away all you immature haters out there
Quote:
The only exception I will consider making is the furloughed United pilots that get preferential hiring for being displaced from their job. They are flying aircraft with their livery on it and preventing a starry eyed pilot with SJS from getting that position. Also I am quite sure that furloughed United pilots will be flying strictly per the contract, FOM, and FAR's. We all know how this can affect operations.[/quote]
07-07-2010, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ATLPilot404
Not true!!!!
What is not true? You are not making a reference to anything.
07-07-2010, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by fastmulti
Hmm, still no replies from GoJet pilots; they must be busy flying.
I've read all the other (mostly CLOSED) threads about GoJet on this forum, and I'm not interested in that conversation. I realize that a lot of people have had negative experiences with TSA and that the TSA/GJ question is still touchy with some people; I regret that other pilots have had bad experiences. I also have had bad experiences... that's why I'm looking for a job. And that's why I want to talk to some people who currently work for or formerly worked for GoJet. Thank you for your support.
I've read all the other (mostly CLOSED) threads about GoJet on this forum, and I'm not interested in that conversation. I realize that a lot of people have had negative experiences with TSA and that the TSA/GJ question is still touchy with some people; I regret that other pilots have had bad experiences. I also have had bad experiences... that's why I'm looking for a job. And that's why I want to talk to some people who currently work for or formerly worked for GoJet. Thank you for your support.
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