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Changing the Beard Rule

Old 04-25-2018, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Beats shearing off the legs on the way out.
Oh, who cares about that? They look simply FABULOUS!
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Old 04-25-2018, 09:07 AM
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I don't know how people think a natural part of the male physique can be universally deemed as unprofessional. Maybe its a baby-boomer-raised-by-their-mother-man-shaming-generation thing. I remember seeing an old SAS captain in full uniform and a well trimmed grey beard. It looked very appropriate.
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Old 04-25-2018, 09:22 AM
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Perhaps it's a millenial self-absorption with personal image (residual self image, I believe one said). The preoccupation with self and image is disturbing, but perhaps that's what the selfie-generation has come to.

Oh sure, I can fly a partial panel single engine handflown approach to minimums in a hurricane, but tell me, really, how do I look?

Get over yourselves, folks. Pull up your big boy pants (the ones that go below your knees) sit up straight and quit bouncing in the seat, try to focus for more than 5 seconds, and strain to remember that you're not being paid as a runway model. Your'e being paid as an aviator.

If you really need that beard, the taliban is always looking for a few good rejects.
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Joachim View Post
I don't know how people think a natural part of the male physique can be universally deemed as unprofessional.
I think he wants to abolish pants.
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Wags808 View Post
Today I wrote to ALPA regarding the rules virtually all major airlines have regarding facial hair. I my mind the rules are archaic, as we know the oxygen mask concern is false and beards can be manicured to look suitable for professional in uniform. For many people having a manicured beard is part of their identity. As a bald guy, it is one of the few ways to add character while avoiding looking like a skinhead.

Regardless of whether you'd like to sport a beard or think pilots look better without them, I hope we can have consensus that it should be left up to individual choice rather than our employer as long as it is kept up well. It could even help recruit young new pilots.

What I wrote to ALPA:
Aside from Hawaiian Airlines, the entire US airline policy on facial hair seems antiquated. Considering the pilot shortage and current trend in beards (from one quarter inch and longer,) it would seem like the airlines should finally consider changing their rules on pilots facial hair. I personally am bald, and having a beard is the only thing that prevents my looking like a creep or a skinhead, so I would like to do whatever I can to get this vestigial rule eliminated. Who would I talk to or leverage to start working on this? Thank you
They're response:
Tim – Thanks for contacting [email protected]. Our understanding is that several U.S. airlines permit pilots to grow mustaches that adhere to certain restrictions, but that beards are taboo. Some of these policies were originally established because of a concern that facial hair might not allow an oxygen mask to fully seal around a pilot’s face. However, the maintenance of current facial hair rules appears to be more closely tied to projecting what some feel is a professional image. The bottom line is that these are human resources policies and, given the culture at some airlines, they may be viewed as rigidly as the use of uniforms.

However, it’s been said that everything is negotiable. You might want to talk to your fellow pilots to see if others feel the same way you do. With some support, you could address this issue with your local council officers to see if the group would want to revisit the pilot facial hair policy as part of its bargaining efforts. Pilot negotiating committees meet with management to bargain for contracts, but they also convene between these full-scale negotiations to address individual letters of agreement (LOA) and memoranda of understanding (MOU).

Again, if enough pilots felt the same way you do, perhaps facial hair is something your pilot group could bargain for.

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So what do you think? Would anyone support presenting this rule change to the local council and push it further?
Personally I would like to have a beard and if allowed would have one. I also however 100% believe that a employer has a right to set standards of appearance they feel are appropriate. If a employee does not like those standards he can seek employment elsewhere.
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Old 04-25-2018, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Joachim View Post
I don't know how people think a natural part of the male physique can be universally deemed as unprofessional. Maybe its a baby-boomer-raised-by-their-mother-man-shaming-generation thing. I remember seeing an old SAS captain in full uniform and a well trimmed grey beard. It looked very appropriate.
Beards are more acceptable in Europe, you'll see many professionals there with beards that you would not see in the US (police, military, politicians, etc). Just the way it is, it's not the airlines, it's the culture.

Have you applied to foreign airlines?
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Old 04-26-2018, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Perhaps it's a millenial self-absorption with personal image (residual self image, I believe one said). The preoccupation with self and image is disturbing, but perhaps that's what the selfie-generation has come to.

Oh sure, I can fly a partial panel single engine handflown approach to minimums in a hurricane, but tell me, really, how do I look?

Get over yourselves, folks. Pull up your big boy pants (the ones that go below your knees) sit up straight and quit bouncing in the seat, try to focus for more than 5 seconds, and strain to remember that you're not being paid as a runway model. Your'e being paid as an aviator.

If you really need that beard, the taliban is always looking for a few good rejects.
You forgot the get off my lawn part😂.

(I added the emoji to seem like a real millennial)
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Old 04-26-2018, 04:22 PM
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I don't have a lawn.
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Old 04-27-2018, 04:31 PM
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In Canada, beards are acceptable at WestJet, but not Air Canada.
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