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08-16-2016, 08:15 AM
#8591
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Originally Posted by 680crewchief
+1... FOM is most restrictive, so I imagine some airlines require it and some don't. Spirit does not (until they change the FOM again).
08-16-2016, 08:32 AM
#8592
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Our SOP is a bit vague and may contradict itself as to whether a cabin jumpseater needs all the paperwork. SOP is clear that they do need to check in with the CA.
I don't check the docs for a cabin jumpseater because I don't think anyone cares, and the SOP probably did not intend that. But I wouldn't blame someone who felt the need to dot i's and cross t's either.
When I get a 135 pilot I do check our reciprocal list, because half the time they're not on it. While I might let such a person in the cabin, no way are they sitting in the actual. It pizzes me off that they even ask because they know darn well whether they have an agreement with us, and they should know I could get fired for letting a random non-authorized person in the cockpit.
I don't check the docs for a cabin jumpseater because I don't think anyone cares, and the SOP probably did not intend that. But I wouldn't blame someone who felt the need to dot i's and cross t's either.
When I get a 135 pilot I do check our reciprocal list, because half the time they're not on it. While I might let such a person in the cabin, no way are they sitting in the actual. It pizzes me off that they even ask because they know darn well whether they have an agreement with us, and they should know I could get fired for letting a random non-authorized person in the cockpit.
08-16-2016, 12:43 PM
#8593
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
When I get a 135 pilot I do check our reciprocal list, because half the time they're not on it. While I might let such a person in the cabin, no way are they sitting in the actual. It pizzes me off that they even ask because they know darn well whether they have an agreement with us, and they should know I could get fired for letting a random non-authorized person in the cockpit.
I believe a reciprocal isn't FAA related. If they are in CASS then it is up to your airlines individual practices (and you).
08-16-2016, 05:49 PM
#8594
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Another nominee for TOTD: the FO who left his seat jacked all the way up and forward (if you've ever tried to squeeze into a CRJ, you'll know how annoying that is), with a full trash bag draped on the armrest and a sticky, leaking, extra-large soda cup in the cupholder.
And of course the ACARS printer is out of paper (it's traditionally an FO responsibility to replace the paper when it runs out)...plus the FO skipped the post flight, which was instantly obvious because not just one, but FOUR of the external security seals (an FO responsibility at my airline) are nowhere to be seen on the airframe.
Seriously? Where do we get these people?
And of course the ACARS printer is out of paper (it's traditionally an FO responsibility to replace the paper when it runs out)...plus the FO skipped the post flight, which was instantly obvious because not just one, but FOUR of the external security seals (an FO responsibility at my airline) are nowhere to be seen on the airframe.
Seriously? Where do we get these people?
Last edited by Turbosina; 08-16-2016 at 06:18 PM.
08-16-2016, 06:21 PM
#8595
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
Another nominee for TOTD: the FO who left his seat jacked all the way up and forward (if you've ever tried to squeeze into a CRJ, you'll know how annoying that is), with a full trash bag draped on the armrest and a sticky, leaking, extra-large soda cup in the cupholder.
And of course the ACARS printer is out of paper (it's traditionally an FO responsibility to replace the paper when it runs out)...plus the FO skipped the post flight, which was instantly obvious because not just one, but FOUR of the external security seals (an FO responsibility at my airline) are nowhere to be seen on the airframe.
Seriously? Where do we get these people?
And of course the ACARS printer is out of paper (it's traditionally an FO responsibility to replace the paper when it runs out)...plus the FO skipped the post flight, which was instantly obvious because not just one, but FOUR of the external security seals (an FO responsibility at my airline) are nowhere to be seen on the airframe.
Seriously? Where do we get these people?
08-16-2016, 06:44 PM
#8596
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
Another nominee for TOTD: the FO who left his seat jacked all the way up and forward (if you've ever tried to squeeze into a CRJ, you'll know how annoying that is), with a full trash bag draped on the armrest and a sticky, leaking, extra-large soda cup in the cupholder.
And of course the ACARS printer is out of paper (it's traditionally an FO responsibility to replace the paper when it runs out)...plus the FO skipped the post flight, which was instantly obvious because not just one, but FOUR of the external security seals (an FO responsibility at my airline) are nowhere to be seen on the airframe.
Seriously? Where do we get these people?
And of course the ACARS printer is out of paper (it's traditionally an FO responsibility to replace the paper when it runs out)...plus the FO skipped the post flight, which was instantly obvious because not just one, but FOUR of the external security seals (an FO responsibility at my airline) are nowhere to be seen on the airframe.
Seriously? Where do we get these people?
08-16-2016, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Klondike Bear
Bet it was an LCA giving a captain upgrade.
Actually it was a brand-new FO (I checked the can, saw his employee number.) That said, some of the most inconsiderate FOs in terms of flight deck cleanliness have been super senior guys who could've upgraded 5 or 6 years ago. (You can tell by the employee number.)
08-17-2016, 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
Another nominee for TOTD: the FO who left his seat jacked all the way up and forward (if you've ever tried to squeeze into a CRJ, you'll know how annoying that is), with a full trash bag draped on the armrest and a sticky, leaking, extra-large soda cup in the cupholder.
And of course the ACARS printer is out of paper (it's traditionally an FO responsibility to replace the paper when it runs out)...plus the FO skipped the post flight, which was instantly obvious because not just one, but FOUR of the external security seals (an FO responsibility at my airline) are nowhere to be seen on the airframe.
Seriously? Where do we get these people?
And of course the ACARS printer is out of paper (it's traditionally an FO responsibility to replace the paper when it runs out)...plus the FO skipped the post flight, which was instantly obvious because not just one, but FOUR of the external security seals (an FO responsibility at my airline) are nowhere to be seen on the airframe.
Seriously? Where do we get these people?
08-17-2016, 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns
Give your colleague a call, send and email, or drop a note in their "V" File, and politely remind him/her of proper cockpit etiquette. There has been many a time when I met the inbound crew as they were getting off the jet, discovering the same situation. Politely called them back to the jet to collect their rubbish. Never had any issues and was given an apology.
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