Even without the PTOSB this is a sh1t deal. Those of you who make excuses for this crap by saying it's our "first" CBA are defeatists and cowards.

 

Dude why do you guys not get this. Calling people cowards and defeatists will not help you.

 

I'm not trying to help anyone. Just stating my observation based on what I'm seeing/hearing on the line. I have zero illusion that anything I say or do will have any affect on anyone. More just venting than anything else. I'm working my way through the 5 stages of death. I'm well past denial, anger and bargaining. I'm in the transition phase between depression and acceptance right now.

 

PTO sellback is and was always a scam. If you derive a portion of you earning from PTOSB then thats a YOU problem. The sole purpose of PTOSB was to compensate for the lack of vacation and the inability of pilots to be able to bid and be awarded vacation.
For years many of us lost PTO because we were unable to bid a vacation block and then the PTO would be lost. WE WANTED VACATION.

Im sorry you are losing your ability to sell something you should never have sold but the system to be implemented is industry standard and is a huge improvement.

 

Lol.
I got ya.

But just think soon we will have a new elevated class of pilots the no voters. So if you are top 100 knew jetblue would make it got stock options helped build the company and todld dave and David the 190 was a stupid idea. If you fly the BUS and are based with the rebels and if you were part of 3a and voted yes for every union, if you love people named Mona and sit around coming up with different ways to say jetblue. If you think seniority should determine every single thing at jetblue. If you yelled at Rob M and refused a jumpseat to any member of our ELT. If you don’t need a suiting jacket because you don’t go north. If you only talk to 190 pilots when YOU want to and they should be grateful they have not been sold. Well this NO vote will truly make you a badass jetblue pilot. (not talking about you bunker)

I will now have to do to them what I do to Delta pilots when passing. I nod and wait and wait and wait as they walk by with no acknowledgment of my existence. Now I can say I’m a coward and a defeatists so I understand and accept what they do and I deserve it -

 

From listening to the Scheduling video (around 1:08:30), I'm seriously bummed to hear that once you bid any type of reserve in PBS you can't bounce back to bidding a line. For example if you wanted Long Call but wanted a line if you couldn't get Long Call, there is no option for this. Once you bid Long Call, you have to settle for Short Call if you can't get Long Call. (Same thing would apply if you wanted Short Call then a Line then Long Call. No option for this.)

If Long Call ends up being an attractive option (especially for commuters), many would have to take a risk bidding Long Call. If you were avoiding a crappy line, trying to get certain days off, or just liked Long Call, but you didn't want to spend a ton of days in base, you are taking a risk by bidding Long Call because you could end up getting stuck with a completely Short Call schedule. On the flip side, if Long Call ends up being an unattractive option due to them being the primary recipients of Next Day Assignments, and Short Call isn't that bad, you take a risk by bidding Short Call and possibly getting stuck with a Long Call schedule.

This seems to seriously reduce any benefit of having reserve divided up into Long Call and Short Call.

 

I haven't watched the video yet. Did the NC specify if this was a limitation of the TA, or a limitation of PBS?

Because I can see this being a limitation of PBS with how it awards schedules.

 

Name calling on my part is definitely sophomoric...and unnecessary. But it made me feel good for about .69 seconds. Having said that, it's still stupid and brings no value to a well needed discussion.


I've always thought that even before the AIP came out that I thought the greatest gains needed were going to affect the middle to lower seniority guys disproportionately. I was okay with that because of how far behind we were in work rules, vacation distribution/allocation, etc. I'm not on reserve. I would get the vacation I want now (if took vacation). I don't ever fly 3 day 10-hr trips, or redeyes. I realize that I've been fortunate not to have to feel the frustration that so many of my brothers have felt forever on the line or sitting reserve.


What my hope was that I wouldn't have to feel like this is a concessionary contract, which it is very much for me right now. The frustrating thing isn't towards the guys who say this is a significant increase in pay/QOL and are voting based on that. I many not agree with their somewhat shortsighted view (they'll be senior one day too!). My frustration is with the guys who are happy with this because it's "The first contract, we'll really get em next time!" or the "What happens if the economy tanks. We'll be screwed! Let's lock em in now before it's too late!!"


Overall, this contract is at the very bottom of our peer group, and gets worse each year. Especially when the Deltas and Uniteds and SWAs renegotiate their next contract in a few years. It is what it is. We all have 1 vote to do what we think is best for ourselves and family. I was hoping it would be a better deal overall, that's all.

 

Currently its a limitation of Navtech.

 

So, I want to point something out, especially at this airline.

There are a large number of people who won't EVER be senior at this airline. They're too old, or they got in too late, or they live in too senior of a base, or they upgraded.

I was told at XJT to shut up and color because "one day I'd be senior too." Guess what? 14 months later I got furloughed, and when I came back I never upgraded. If I had stuck around, it would have been a 10.5 year upgrade at a regional. This could happen here. What happens if upgrading means spending 15 years on reserve? I know someone is going to say, "DON'T UPGRADE!" but there comes a point where you have to start funding your retirement.

So there are a large number of people out there who have to consider that they won't get senior here, and their perspective isn't invalid because they weren't able to get hired in 2003.