The TA is finally here
07-02-2018 | 04:12 PM
#431
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CCH,
We're never going to get 100% compliance with this pilot group. But we don't need it. Just before we agreed to the AIP, we had significant leverage and it was gaining every day. Even with pilots doing RSAs/extending, etc. Ask the Boston ground control supervisor what he thought of JB pilots. We were affecting the bottom line more and more every day by many of us just doing our jobs. Jamie Baker downgraded JB due in large part to labor unrest. We had great leverage, and we'd get it back again. JB needs this deal for future airframe purchases. Don't underestimate the power he had, and could have again in a very short period of time.
We're never going to get 100% compliance with this pilot group. But we don't need it. Just before we agreed to the AIP, we had significant leverage and it was gaining every day. Even with pilots doing RSAs/extending, etc. Ask the Boston ground control supervisor what he thought of JB pilots. We were affecting the bottom line more and more every day by many of us just doing our jobs. Jamie Baker downgraded JB due in large part to labor unrest. We had great leverage, and we'd get it back again. JB needs this deal for future airframe purchases. Don't underestimate the power he had, and could have again in a very short period of time.
Not picking on you man. You’re a sharp
Dude.
07-02-2018 | 04:17 PM
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You may be right about the leverage but it was just a feeling I got based on the trends the last few weeks/months leading up the the agreement....but who knows, man...I’m nearly as sharp as I think I am, that’s for sure....lol...
07-03-2018 | 05:30 AM
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I wish I was smert as I think i is too😆
07-03-2018 | 05:57 AM
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Can you explain what you mean by this? It was designed to allow you to sell unused PTO for pay (premium pay at that). How can you say that something that is designed to pay us is not designed to bolster our income?
Some people choose to work less and PTO days. Some people choose to work more and not PTO days and sell those PTO hours at premium. It's still more work for more pay, currently.
Some people choose to work less and PTO days. Some people choose to work more and not PTO days and sell those PTO hours at premium. It's still more work for more pay, currently.
It’s morphed into something completely different where pilots are now saving all their PTO in order to sell back 10 hours each month to increase their salary. This was never the intent.
07-03-2018 | 06:33 AM
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Bunker I think the troops are starving and dehydrated and will accept almost anything. This fact made the NC’s job very difficult and the company knew this. Jetblue knew the analyst were not happy and the negotiators knew almost ANYTHING would pass. This is clearly a compromise on both ends.
07-03-2018 | 06:55 AM
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Bunker I think the troops are starving and dehydrated and will accept almost anything. This fact made the NC’s job very difficult and the company knew this. Jetblue knew the analyst were not happy and the negotiators knew almost ANYTHING would pass. This is clearly a compromise on both ends.
07-03-2018 | 07:04 AM
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More of a cumulative statement than a specific event. I’d love to think we had the unity to push for more but the reality is we don’t. A small percentage of pilots refused to RSA/VDA and just flew SOP. Unfortunately the rest flew jetblue sop. Heck, even the BOS LEC was crediting 100 hours a month. Do as I say, not as I do?
07-03-2018 | 07:20 AM
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More of a cumulative statement than a specific event. I’d love to think we had the unity to push for more but the reality is we don’t. A small percentage of pilots refused to RSA/VDA and just flew SOP. Unfortunately the rest flew jetblue sop. Heck, even the BOS LEC was crediting 100 hours a month. Do as I say, not as I do?
07-03-2018 | 07:30 AM
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I’m in the same boat. Disgusted.
I really feel like we weren’t represented well.
I really feel like we weren’t represented well.
Selling PTO is the equivalent of working an 18 hour trip that I don't have to work. Every month.
I understand most pilots don't sell PTO at premium. They're leaving that pay on the table. By selling it I turn an 82 hour credit month into a 100 credit hour month. Every month, forever. That's what I have been doing. There is no faster way to increase take home pay than to sell PTO at premium.
It's the reason that if you call in sick, take UTO. Then, take two-thirds of it and sell that much PTO: break even. This applies regardless of your PTO accrual or longevity, as long as you have > 100 hours in your PTO bank.
I encourage everyone with the cognitive ability to use a simple four function calculator to calculate his or her own take home pay, and compare it what it will become after implementation. Do it now. When you actually see your actual monthly pay statements next year, it will be too late. Apparently the MEC doesn't have the ability to do that. Perhaps we have a special dues assessment to provide them with calculators.
I'm disgusted.
I understand most pilots don't sell PTO at premium. They're leaving that pay on the table. By selling it I turn an 82 hour credit month into a 100 credit hour month. Every month, forever. That's what I have been doing. There is no faster way to increase take home pay than to sell PTO at premium.
It's the reason that if you call in sick, take UTO. Then, take two-thirds of it and sell that much PTO: break even. This applies regardless of your PTO accrual or longevity, as long as you have > 100 hours in your PTO bank.
I encourage everyone with the cognitive ability to use a simple four function calculator to calculate his or her own take home pay, and compare it what it will become after implementation. Do it now. When you actually see your actual monthly pay statements next year, it will be too late. Apparently the MEC doesn't have the ability to do that. Perhaps we have a special dues assessment to provide them with calculators.
I'm disgusted.
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