Originally Posted by cmesoar

I don't know if it blows us away but there are some great things in the work rules. Average duty time and day rigs are HUGE for our trips. Watch the video. No more 10 hour 3 days. No more 17-19 hour four days. International override will certainly add up, and night override will help, and me personally I thought Emergency/extension past the OFP would have been history at this place. Who has that? Its still here and its 200%. More than 2 hours and its 5 hours at 200%. I don't sell PTO regularly, so that does not affect me. The scope language is strong, but that is a different section and different thread...

My number one concern in the surveys was scope and QOL. It was not pay rates. The C-series rates seem low to me but have any of your seen that plane? I haven't. By the time management actually gets off their A$$ and makes a decision, it will be years into this contract before they even come close to replacing 320s. By then, we will be in section 6 again. Where I feel this TA missed the mark is insurance. I am scratching my head at the small gains with insurance. I am glad I have a few weeks to decide yes or no. I am sure I could add some more work rules if I go back and read this TA again.

Originally Posted by hilltopflyer

Airport standby is allowed in the contract... if a flight cancels during irop are stuck at the airport and can’t leave till you contact cs. He isn’t wrong just used airport standby instead of a different term. How often are we in irop situations? Or have your flight cancel.

Originally Posted by hilltopflyer

Airport standby is allowed in the contract... if a flight cancels during irop are stuck at the airport and can’t leave till you contact cs. He isn’t wrong just used airport standby instead of a different term. How often are we in irop situations? Or have your flight cancel.

Originally Posted by rvr1800

Can we get a reference for this please?

Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull

25.X.4
POG is correct with his scenario.

Irop 2+ ( 85%of the time ) , rescheduling time limit is reached and no assignment is published...pilot shall make Positive Contact with CS who shall immediately reassign or release the pilot.

I guess look for a red phone?
My definition of 'immediately' =not put on hold. You don't have a trip for me, i release myself.

-I'm researching now to see if that's current practice or it's been tweaked to favor the Co-

Originally Posted by rvr1800

That sounds like the same language we have now. Never heard of anyone sitting airport reserve as a result.

Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull

Yes, but a slight tweak makes a huge difference;

Current : pilot initiates Positive Contact (fsm E.3.2.2)
vs
Ta: pilot makes Positive Contact.
25.X.4 ( during IROP 2+)
These are the terms to get released.
Current FSM makes no mention of IROP status.

There is a positive: time limits vs cancellations for modifications has narrowed

Originally Posted by PasserOGas

Sorry about the miscommunication. I meant standby. Obviously we don't need airport reserve, when there is an IROP we have all the line holders do it instead.

You must sit in the airport for anywhere from 2-4 hours, then MAKE POSITIVE CONTACT. Imagine trying to get ahold of CS when there are 100+ cancellations going on. You are going to be there a while. Awesome work rules guys. Totally makes up for the terrible pay.

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

I stand behind the union. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with everything they say or do, or with this TA. 5 MEC members, who obviously support the union, voted no. Don’t think you are bound to vote yes just bc it (barely) passed the MEC vote...and don’t think you are required to support everything in it for the same reason. You don’t have to like it, or not like it...just decide whether or not it’s meets your expectations.