The TA is finally here
06-25-2018 | 09:13 AM
#71
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United MEC in 2012 was told the 767-300 was going away so guess what they did? they negotiated a few dollars more than the 757/737-900 and put the 767-400 as top WB rate.
Guess what aircraft we still have at UA? Guess what aircraft we are putting winglets on, our new Polaris business class and doing HMVs on? Guess what aircraft we just bought 3 of from Hawaiian? Guess what aircraft we are expected to keep tell mid 2020's?
Good thing we didn't waste our time negating higher pay rates for an aircraft that is going away.
Guess what aircraft we still have at UA? Guess what aircraft we are putting winglets on, our new Polaris business class and doing HMVs on? Guess what aircraft we just bought 3 of from Hawaiian? Guess what aircraft we are expected to keep tell mid 2020's?
Good thing we didn't waste our time negating higher pay rates for an aircraft that is going away.
06-25-2018 | 09:18 AM
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Those on the Airbus who are turning a blind eye to the lackluster 190 rates because it doesn't effect you, are in for a surprise when their seniority takes a hit when senior 190 pilots make their move. Low Embraer rates hurts the entire pilot group, not just those flying it.
06-25-2018 | 09:37 AM
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You can see the implementation sched on ALPA website.
And it will pass on the strength of the Scope/Section 25 (Scheduling) and Retirement.
May not be the landslide the mec hoped for, but the highlights are a needed improvement for most here.
Flame away NOs.
And it will pass on the strength of the Scope/Section 25 (Scheduling) and Retirement.
May not be the landslide the mec hoped for, but the highlights are a needed improvement for most here.
Flame away NOs.
06-25-2018 | 09:40 AM
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i am kind of leaning "no" right now based on implementation of reserve and the pay rates for the giant category of "e190/e2-190/e195/e2-195".
that category covers planes that have a lot of different numbers of seats, and get to be almost as big as an a320, for a lot less pay.
that category covers planes that have a lot of different numbers of seats, and get to be almost as big as an a320, for a lot less pay.
06-25-2018 | 09:52 AM
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i am kind of leaning "no" right now based on implementation of reserve and the pay rates for the giant category of "e190/e2-190/e195/e2-195".
that category covers planes that have a lot of different numbers of seats, and get to be almost as big as an a320, for a lot less pay.
that category covers planes that have a lot of different numbers of seats, and get to be almost as big as an a320, for a lot less pay.
Maybe, but in the meantime, no Scope and work rule improvements.
For those who dont know this: SCOPE=JOB. WORK RULES=QOL.
Did I type that loudly enough?
The pay could be higher and I hate B6 for weaseling out of proper profit sharing, but talk to your reps at the roadshows and see if they think that PS or Health care would ever improve greatly even IF we did vote this down, re-elect another NC/MEC and **** and moan for another year.
Vote your wallet and QOL, not your ego or anger.
Easier said than done for us all I admit.
06-25-2018 | 10:10 AM
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Do you think that will change in a year when we have something different?
Maybe, but in the meantime, no Scope and work rule improvements.
For those who dont know this: SCOPE=JOB. WORK RULES=QOL.
Did I type that loudly enough?
The pay could be higher and I hate B6 for weaseling out of proper profit sharing, but talk to your reps at the roadshows and see if they think that PS or Health care would ever improve greatly even IF we did vote this down, re-elect another NC/MEC and **** and moan for another year.
Vote your wallet and QOL, not your ego or anger.
Easier said than done for us all I admit.
Maybe, but in the meantime, no Scope and work rule improvements.
For those who dont know this: SCOPE=JOB. WORK RULES=QOL.
Did I type that loudly enough?
The pay could be higher and I hate B6 for weaseling out of proper profit sharing, but talk to your reps at the roadshows and see if they think that PS or Health care would ever improve greatly even IF we did vote this down, re-elect another NC/MEC and **** and moan for another year.
Vote your wallet and QOL, not your ego or anger.
Easier said than done for us all I admit.
06-25-2018 | 10:13 AM
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The 190 in general in the airline world is really held back. It's a 100 seater but it's treated like a 50 seater when it comes to pay for some reason.
I will say though, while I'm disappointed in how the 190s are viewed, I am very happy about scope. I bet every single one of us at one point in time while flying for a regional said we'd gladly fly a CRJ for enough money. Well, I'd rather keep the 'express' flying on property and have slightly under mainline rates if our scope, scheduling and other work rules are on par or better with the industry. Not everything is about having the highest pay rate.
Why do you say way behind? Delta E195 rates for a 12yr captain are listed at $206/hr. The TA has us at $207.20 on DOS. Not trying to argue, just looking to see if I missed something while going through the comparison guide (Which lists DL/HAL 717 rates). We're definitely behind on CS100/300 rates though.
I will say though, while I'm disappointed in how the 190s are viewed, I am very happy about scope. I bet every single one of us at one point in time while flying for a regional said we'd gladly fly a CRJ for enough money. Well, I'd rather keep the 'express' flying on property and have slightly under mainline rates if our scope, scheduling and other work rules are on par or better with the industry. Not everything is about having the highest pay rate.
Why do you say way behind? Delta E195 rates for a 12yr captain are listed at $206/hr. The TA has us at $207.20 on DOS. Not trying to argue, just looking to see if I missed something while going through the comparison guide (Which lists DL/HAL 717 rates). We're definitely behind on CS100/300 rates though.
06-25-2018 | 10:26 AM
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Do you think that will change in a year when we have something different?
Maybe, but in the meantime, no Scope and work rule improvements.
For those who dont know this: SCOPE=JOB. WORK RULES=QOL.
Did I type that loudly enough?
The pay could be higher and I hate B6 for weaseling out of proper profit sharing, but talk to your reps at the roadshows and see if they think that PS or Health care would ever improve greatly even IF we did vote this down, re-elect another NC/MEC and **** and moan for another year.
Vote your wallet and QOL, not your ego or anger.
Easier said than done for us all I admit.
Maybe, but in the meantime, no Scope and work rule improvements.
For those who dont know this: SCOPE=JOB. WORK RULES=QOL.
Did I type that loudly enough?
The pay could be higher and I hate B6 for weaseling out of proper profit sharing, but talk to your reps at the roadshows and see if they think that PS or Health care would ever improve greatly even IF we did vote this down, re-elect another NC/MEC and **** and moan for another year.
Vote your wallet and QOL, not your ego or anger.
Easier said than done for us all I admit.
06-25-2018 | 10:27 AM
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From: Airbus Capt
DAL doesn't fly it. AA pilots spend very little time on it and they are all being sold. We have to compare it with other 100ish seat airplanes and when you do that it becomes clear how poorly it is paid. Then, add 44 seats for the same pay.
From wikipedia:
"The E195-E2 (EMB 190-400) will be extended by three seat rows from the E195 by 2.85 m (9.4 ft), and will accommodate up to 144 seats."
That is 6 short of a current A320, paid like a current E190.
Great deal for the company.
Um... Vote Yes?? Right Bubs??
From wikipedia:
"The E195-E2 (EMB 190-400) will be extended by three seat rows from the E195 by 2.85 m (9.4 ft), and will accommodate up to 144 seats."
That is 6 short of a current A320, paid like a current E190.
Great deal for the company.
Um... Vote Yes?? Right Bubs??
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