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02-01-2021 | 01:29 PM
#91
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Thanks. Not a sucker. Is everyone on the union a sucker? Is the NC a sucker? The scope guy a sucker? I sense COVID related butthurt.
Look, I'm Just someone you share the cockpit with. I'm trying to do the best for my family much like you are. I think this is a good deal. If you don't, thats ok. Just don't call me a sucker.
I think you are missing part of the LOA. Take a look at LOA 13 B.2. Specifically LOA 13 B.2.D
In summary, it is a "no furlough" clause by a different name. Take a look. Tell me what you think.
Look, I'm Just someone you share the cockpit with. I'm trying to do the best for my family much like you are. I think this is a good deal. If you don't, thats ok. Just don't call me a sucker.
I think you are missing part of the LOA. Take a look at LOA 13 B.2. Specifically LOA 13 B.2.D
In summary, it is a "no furlough" clause by a different name. Take a look. Tell me what you think.
And you're starting to sound like a union or company plant.
02-01-2021 | 01:38 PM
#92
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I honestly don’t understand the fear of furlough at this point in time. The company isn’t furloughing other work groups through at least Sept or Oct. Spirit and Frontier are planning to hire. (I used them since they’re not wide body international types) London and deliveries still happening. The company is burning almost 7 mil per day. What does furloughing get them. An additional $300k savings per day maybe? And that’s after the furlough pay. Plus, it would cause some shuffling of bases and seats. It just doesn’t seem likely to me.
02-01-2021 | 01:44 PM
#93
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From: fifi whisperer
Bozo- I think I'm senior to you? I'm north of 50% in company.....
Anyway, as someone else stated, Its 5 years and 24 months w/ option to extend. Have you actually read the LOA? I'm voting with the union and that makes me a company plant? Think Bluepilots is more your style.....
Also, check my post history here if you have questions.....
02-01-2021 | 01:52 PM
#94
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Bozo- I think I'm senior to you? I'm north of 50% in company.....
Anyway, as someone else stated, Its 5 years and 24 months w/ option to extend. Have you actually read the LOA? I'm voting with the union and that makes me a company plant? Think Bluepilots is more your style.....
Also, check my post history here if you have questions.....
Anyway, as someone else stated, Its 5 years and 24 months w/ option to extend. Have you actually read the LOA? I'm voting with the union and that makes me a company plant? Think Bluepilots is more your style.....
Also, check my post history here if you have questions.....
02-01-2021 | 02:01 PM
#95
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Thanks. Not a sucker. Is everyone on the union a sucker? Is the NC a sucker? The scope guy a sucker? I sense COVID related butthurt.
Look, I'm Just someone you share the cockpit with. I'm trying to do the best for my family much like you are. I think this is a good deal. If you don't, thats ok. Just don't call me a sucker.
I think you are missing part of the LOA. Take a look at LOA 13 B.2. Specifically LOA 13 B.2.D
In summary, it is a "no furlough" clause by a different name. Take a look. Tell me what you think.
Look, I'm Just someone you share the cockpit with. I'm trying to do the best for my family much like you are. I think this is a good deal. If you don't, thats ok. Just don't call me a sucker.
I think you are missing part of the LOA. Take a look at LOA 13 B.2. Specifically LOA 13 B.2.D
In summary, it is a "no furlough" clause by a different name. Take a look. Tell me what you think.
02-01-2021 | 02:01 PM
#96
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From: fifi whisperer
What does “voting with the union” mean? The pilots ARE the union. The MEC/LEC/NC represent the pilots. There should be no bias from them. They shouldn’t try to sway the vote one way or another. They should just pass on the facts, both positive and negative. They should also point out the potential pitfalls. From there, it’s up to the pilot group to decide.
Fair point. Was just getting ****ed that bozo disagrees with me and simply can't say that. I don't like being called a company plant etc.
Just trying to do what is best for me, and explain why.
02-01-2021 | 02:07 PM
#97
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From: fifi whisperer
LOA section B.2.d is very far from a “no furlough” clause. You seem to be missing an important key word. What this sections says is that active pilots in on 1/1/2025 must be more than 2022, 2023, OR 2024. Key word is OR. This is much, much, worse than our current CBA which says to maintain the agreement we are required to show growth year over year. This agreement amends our current CBA so that we are not required to show growth until 4 years from now (from our current depressed levels). This is completely unacceptable. If the company is planning on growing or maintaining this pilot group there is no reason why they wouldn’t offer a no furlough period for the duration of this agreement.
d. The number of Active Pilots employed by the Company on January 1, 2025 must be at least the greater of the following amounts: i. Three (3) Active Pilots greater than the number of Active Pilots employed by the Company on January 1, 2022; ii. Two (2) Active Pilots greater than the number of Active Pilots employed by the Company on January 1, 2023; or iii. One (1) Active Pilot greater than the number of Active Pilots employed by the Company on January 1, 2024.
WHEREAS, the Company agrees that it shall not furlough any Pilot before May 1, 2022, subject exclusively to the provisions of Paragraph J of this LOA, as set forth herein;
I'll submit a PDR and ask why it is written this way vs a true "no furlough clause", as I think it is a reasonable question.
02-01-2021 | 02:22 PM
#98
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I honestly didn’t think anyone here is trying to tell you not to vote what’s best for you. I think they’re pointing out that you MAY be using possibilities or probabilities as facts in your decision making. Honestly, the MEC information has way too many “they wouldn’t do that” and “it doesn’t make sense for the company to do that” type of comments in it for me. That gives me great pause. Remember the dependability policy that was sent in error but never went away? That’s the kind of shady stuff people are worried about. Plus, the 10-12 years will likely span multiple management team changes. People aren’t willing to take a huge risk without at least a huge reward.
02-01-2021 | 02:38 PM
#99
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For everyone's info this is what we are discussing......
d. The number of Active Pilots employed by the Company on January 1, 2025 must be at least the greater of the following amounts: i. Three (3) Active Pilots greater than the number of Active Pilots employed by the Company on January 1, 2022; ii. Two (2) Active Pilots greater than the number of Active Pilots employed by the Company on January 1, 2023; or iii. One (1) Active Pilot greater than the number of Active Pilots employed by the Company on January 1, 2024.
WHEREAS, the Company agrees that it shall not furlough any Pilot before May 1, 2022, subject exclusively to the provisions of Paragraph J of this LOA, as set forth herein;
I'll submit a PDR and ask why it is written this way vs a true "no furlough clause", as I think it is a reasonable question.
d. The number of Active Pilots employed by the Company on January 1, 2025 must be at least the greater of the following amounts: i. Three (3) Active Pilots greater than the number of Active Pilots employed by the Company on January 1, 2022; ii. Two (2) Active Pilots greater than the number of Active Pilots employed by the Company on January 1, 2023; or iii. One (1) Active Pilot greater than the number of Active Pilots employed by the Company on January 1, 2024.
WHEREAS, the Company agrees that it shall not furlough any Pilot before May 1, 2022, subject exclusively to the provisions of Paragraph J of this LOA, as set forth herein;
I'll submit a PDR and ask why it is written this way vs a true "no furlough clause", as I think it is a reasonable question.
02-01-2021 | 03:12 PM
#100
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From: CRJ9 CA
Thanks. Not a sucker. Is everyone on the union a sucker? Is the NC a sucker? The scope guy a sucker? I sense COVID related butthurt.
Look, I'm Just someone you share the cockpit with. I'm trying to do the best for my family much like you are. I think this is a good deal. If you don't, thats ok. Just don't call me a sucker.
I think you are missing part of the LOA. Take a look at LOA 13 B.2. Specifically LOA 13 B.2.D
In summary, it is a "no furlough" clause by a different name. Take a look. Tell me what you think.
Look, I'm Just someone you share the cockpit with. I'm trying to do the best for my family much like you are. I think this is a good deal. If you don't, thats ok. Just don't call me a sucker.
I think you are missing part of the LOA. Take a look at LOA 13 B.2. Specifically LOA 13 B.2.D
In summary, it is a "no furlough" clause by a different name. Take a look. Tell me what you think.
