Any negotiation rumors?
10-16-2022, 07:37 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by Boomer
The CBA is only good if the union defends it. We could have set the bar with the NEA grievance - had we demanded an actual resolution.
Instead, the MEC talked tough for a year and when the decision was potentially days away, they balked and recommended the membership vote to give the company the WIN in exchange for compensation. When the pilot group ratified the LOA, JetBlue knew where we stood going forward.
Instead, the MEC talked tough for a year and when the decision was potentially days away, they balked and recommended the membership vote to give the company the WIN in exchange for compensation. When the pilot group ratified the LOA, JetBlue knew where we stood going forward.
10-16-2022, 07:48 AM
#102
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Originally Posted by Just
While we have this current MEC chair, my faith can’t exist. We going into potential merger with this cry baby at the helm makes me queasy. Having been through a merger and being involved with committees during the merger, we are screwed with him as a leader.
CK can't do anything alone. Remember that every weak move our union has made has been backed by a near unanimous vote by our reps. Unfortunately our reps seem to accurately represent our pilot group based on our votes.
10-17-2022, 09:30 AM
#104
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Originally Posted by V2500
No, they have not, and they will not propose anything until November.
10-17-2022, 04:01 PM
#105
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The company dragged their feet too long negotiating LOA 13. By the time they handed it to the MEC to spin up the hard-sell machine, we were seeing an end to the Pandademic and some of us (correctly) guessed there would be no furloughs… thus, no need for furlough protection… thus, we were giving away scope for nothing.
Then, when the company saw that the NEA grievance arbitrator was too timid to make his contractually-required 30-day decision and insisted on round after round of renegotiations, the company saw the opportunity to drag it out for a year… after all, the arbitrator was allowing them to continue violating our contract as long as they poked their head into the negotiation room to say “hi”once a month.
The company undoubtedly learns from their mistakes. The MEC refuses to even acknowledge their mistakes, thus learning is impossible.
As such, I have low expectations on both the timing and the content of these “expedited negotiations.”
Then, when the company saw that the NEA grievance arbitrator was too timid to make his contractually-required 30-day decision and insisted on round after round of renegotiations, the company saw the opportunity to drag it out for a year… after all, the arbitrator was allowing them to continue violating our contract as long as they poked their head into the negotiation room to say “hi”once a month.
The company undoubtedly learns from their mistakes. The MEC refuses to even acknowledge their mistakes, thus learning is impossible.
As such, I have low expectations on both the timing and the content of these “expedited negotiations.”
10-17-2022, 08:03 PM
#106
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Some of you guys have reached an unhealthy level of pessimism lol. You haven’t even been presented with something yet and the company is bleeding pilots. My point is, there’s a healthy level of optimism and pessimism and it’s somewhere in between.
10-18-2022, 01:17 AM
#107
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Originally Posted by knewyork
Some of you guys have reached an unhealthy level of pessimism lol. You haven’t even been presented with something yet and the company is bleeding pilots. My point is, there’s a healthy level of optimism and pessimism and it’s somewhere in between.
10-18-2022, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Some call it pessimism, others call it "experience" with the airline.
You could be an optimist, sure.
10-18-2022, 05:09 AM
#109
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Originally Posted by Boomer
It’s like when you have a “Fleet Launch” flight and you’re boarding in 15 minutes but the plane is still sitting in remote and there’s no push crew to go get it.
You could be an optimist, sure.
You could be an optimist, sure.
10-18-2022, 07:56 AM
#110
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
You're just being pessimistic... It COULD work.
For real, though, Alaska just ratified a TA with pay that blows ours apart. If we aren’t offered something competitive, it’s going to be a disaster.
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