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Old 02-22-2024 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dontsurf
I guess it wasn't a big deal, then.
Back then it was a very big deal for TWA pilots. About 10 years difference in seniority relative to the AA pilots. Plenty of senior CA got pushed to the right seat to fly with a newbie AA CA. The bottom big group of FO got furloughed.

The FA had it worse. Full staple job. Then every one got furloughed. 35 year TWA FA got furloughed. 7 month AA FA was not.
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Old 02-22-2024 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Plenty of senior CA got pushed to the right seat to fly with a newbie AA CA. The bottom big group of FO got furloughed.
Considering the time it all took to integrate and in the post 9/11 environment and how many AA furloughed/downgraded/displaced, what exactly defines a "newbie AA CA"?
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Old 02-23-2024 | 04:30 AM
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Bill Ackman ( activist investor) has been in the news of late, especially after the Harvard president shakeup. He was on Lex Fridman's podcast, a long format interview typically over 2 hours. Listening to that I had a slightly better idea of what it is he or an Icahn want and work to achieve it. He specifically mentions Icahn. But at one point he says just getting on the board is the key. From there you try to lead. There are 13 seats, he has 2, he only needs to convince 5 people of his vision to run the show.
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Old 02-23-2024 | 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
Bill Ackman ( activist investor) has been in the news of late, especially after the Harvard president shakeup. He was on Lex Fridman's podcast, a long format interview typically over 2 hours. Listening to that I had a slightly better idea of what it is he or an Icahn want and work to achieve it. He specifically mentions Icahn. But at one point he says just getting on the board is the key. From there you try to lead. There are 13 seats, he has 2, he only needs to convince 5 people of his vision to run the show.
They may shrink you guys into a well run airline, maybe even sell you, but I doubt they're interested in parting our your assets. Either way enjoying the ride is really your only choice unless you're willing to leave.

From the outside it doesn't look like a bad spot to be in. 👍🏻
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Old 02-24-2024 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Ohio
So thinks may work out, you just have to wait 23 years. A lot of them retired as MD88 FO.
. Just like it "worked out" for the Capital/United merger and the poor Eastern guys 💀
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Old 02-24-2024 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by putzin
They may shrink you guys into a well run airline, maybe even sell you, but I doubt they're interested in parting our your assets. Either way enjoying the ride is really your only choice unless you're willing to leave.

From the outside it doesn't look like a bad spot to be in. 👍🏻
What’s alarming now is that UA is closing in on a deal with Airbus to pick up production slots which is stated by outlets, “those abandoned by JetBlue and Spirit.” What kind of negotiations did our CFO do that they have been keeping to their chest until May, other than deferrals. With UA wanting to expand rapidly into FL and their UA next program. I see that as a viable threat and if true we gave up slots to help expedite their growth plans.
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Old 02-24-2024 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PeakEGT
What’s alarming now is that UA is closing in on a deal with Airbus to pick up production slots which is stated by outlets, “those abandoned by JetBlue and Spirit.” What kind of negotiations did our CFO do that they have been keeping to their chest until May, other than deferrals. With UA wanting to expand rapidly into FL and their UA next program. I see that as a viable threat and if true we gave up slots to help expedite their growth plans.
Amazing, so because Judge Young felt JB/NK would be too much of a monopoly, (or harm the consumer), we both shrink, unable to provide a quality product to consumers to help battle against the legacies and now United will be even larger. What an absolute joke the government is
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Old 02-24-2024 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PeakEGT
What’s alarming now is that UA is closing in on a deal with Airbus to pick up production slots which is stated by outlets, “those abandoned by JetBlue and Spirit.” What kind of negotiations did our CFO do that they have been keeping to their chest until May, other than deferrals. With UA wanting to expand rapidly into FL and their UA next program. I see that as a viable threat and if true we gave up slots to help expedite their growth plans.
I totally understand the frustration, but what was B6 supposed to do? They simply dont have the cash to take new airplanes when the enterprise is losing money. Again I totally understand the frustration.
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Old 02-24-2024 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PeakEGT
What’s alarming now is that UA is closing in on a deal with Airbus to pick up production slots which is stated by outlets, “those abandoned by JetBlue and Spirit.” What kind of negotiations did our CFO do that they have been keeping to their chest until May, other than deferrals. With UA wanting to expand rapidly into FL and their UA next program. I see that as a viable threat and if true we gave up slots to help expedite their growth plans.
Why not? They gave away BOS market share to Delta when they were amped up about the NEA. Why not help all the other airlines with their growth plans as well.
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Old 02-24-2024 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gottagetout
Why not? They gave away BOS market share to Delta when they were amped up about the NEA. Why not help all the other airlines with their growth plans as well.
The NEA was terrible timing. We had an opportunity during Covid to really gain market share in BOS/FLL but refocused everything to NYC, which ultimately had to be rolled back when the NEA died. I know hindsight is 20/20, but just a shame it worked the way it did.

That was our best shot at creating a fortress hub outside of the NK merger.
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