Ted Striker

All of the pay raise to the bus? I'm a 190 guy and agree that the bus should be brought up 100% without a doubt.....as well as a bump to the 190, maybe just not as dramatic. You need to stop thinking black and white, like there is $100 of company money to share and the bus gets $100 of it. It needs to be, the bus gets $100 of it, and now find me $40 more for the 190. We are making 500+ million in profit, starting hotel ventures, looking into acquisitions, buying planes with cash, tossing around millions in venture start-ups.

The just because the 190 is industry leading, and shouldn't get a raise argument is just plane stupid (pun intended). So if you work for a company and make industry leading pay, with your argument theres no point in ever negotiating. Why bother? Your industry leading, no need for a raise. That's fantastic we have the industry leading 190 pay but, there's no reason the bar shouldn't pushed higher. FUPM , and then add some more on top. Jetblue asks their pilots to go above and beyond what a lot of other carriers ask, I expect to be appreciated or it will be point A to point B and nothing more.

BunkerF16

No. My point is there will be certain amount of money and how are we going to divide it?

It needs to go towards Pay, increased manning, better work rules, avg daily/FDP mins, better vacation/sick system, etc....

So while I think we should ALL get a pay raise, my guess is the preponderance of the raise will go to the Bus. Will there be a token raise for the 190. Maybe. But when the new proposed pay scales are unveiled, the significant amount will be allocated to the 320.....that's all I'm saying

CaptCoolHand

You guys really need to get awa from the fact that the 190 is industry leading. It's not. Period. For the category and class size weight and seats it is under paid.

Work up from there.

BunkerF16

Then you need to talk to our MEC/NC because this is the a page out of the comparison document they just sent out to all of us..

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pilotpayne

I can hold the bus as a captain. I just don't want to go to JFK.

All I am asking you is why go into negotiations already saying we are willing to "decouple" the 190. Seems like you are giving up stuff before we start. We can also sell back pto at 1.5% should we give that up as well because others don't do it that way? All of our cbas will be built on this and if you leave one plane behind it will stay that way. I would feel the same if I was flying the bus, you could always go for "industry leading" and come fly the 190

Tom a Hawk

No you're saying most if not all the money should go to the bus. As people have pointed out, there are pitfalls in doing that. Jb could order a whole bunch more 190s and cancel Airbus orders, it creates large training costs as people move over so there is less money for the company to pay in salary. and if the MEC/jb put out a ta, they want it to pass. Leaving 800 of the pilots behind to give a raise to the bus could threaten that. There's more to it than just saying one is below average for size and the other is above average.

BunkerF16

And that's my point....you can hold the Bus CA but choose not to for QOL reasons and that's great. But to give a lower raise to the bus for the purpose of keeping the 190 coupled to it makes no sense.

I find it interesting our own Union put out a product that shows our 190 at/near the top of the pay scale for its class.....sounds like a little pilot expectation management going on to me.

BunkerF16

You don't understand JBs growth model at all. JB is all about ASM and buying 100 seat AC is not consistent with that theme. My guess is we never take the 190s on our order books either and any additional smaller AC purchases will be to replace aging 190, not additive to current fleet....

pilotpayne

We also were not interested in merging until we were. But if you leave one airplane at a large discount to the other things can change.

BunkerF16

It's not a discount, it's at/near leading pay for its class.....stop comparing it to the Bus