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Presented no offer when the negotiating committee met with the company a week or so ago.
“At the meeting, the Association proposed reasonable terms based on membership input. The Company has not offered a counterproposal and no further negotiations have taken place at this time.”
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“At the meeting, the Association proposed reasonable terms based on membership input. The Company has not offered a counterproposal and no further negotiations have taken place at this time.”
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The company’s entire proposal for LOA 13 hinged on furlough protection. Now that this negotiating chip has zero value, the company would need to substantially increase their 2% pay offer to push the next LOA past the 50% threshold.
Same as if Jetblue were in negotiations to sell ALPA a house on a lot - but before a deal is reached, to everyone’s surprise the house burns down. Now Jetblue only has an empty lot to sell - the value on the deal just changed, and Jetblue has to chip in something else if they want to keep the original price tag.
Besides, it’s not the arbitrators job to determine how sweet a deal LOA 13 was for either party. The arbitrators sole job is to determine if any part of the NEA violates 1.F.7 and/or 1.F.8.
The company and ALPA both agree that it violates our CBA, so arbitration can really only go one way.
Same as if Jetblue were in negotiations to sell ALPA a house on a lot - but before a deal is reached, to everyone’s surprise the house burns down. Now Jetblue only has an empty lot to sell - the value on the deal just changed, and Jetblue has to chip in something else if they want to keep the original price tag.
Besides, it’s not the arbitrators job to determine how sweet a deal LOA 13 was for either party. The arbitrators sole job is to determine if any part of the NEA violates 1.F.7 and/or 1.F.8.
The company and ALPA both agree that it violates our CBA, so arbitration can really only go one way.
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The company’s entire proposal for LOA 13 hinged on furlough protection. Now that this negotiating chip has zero value, the company would need to substantially increase their 2% pay offer to push the next LOA past the 50% threshold.
Same as if Jetblue were in negotiations to sell ALPA a house on a lot - but before a deal is reached, to everyone’s surprise the house burns down. Now Jetblue only has an empty lot to sell - the value on the deal just changed, and Jetblue has to chip in something else if they want to keep the original price tag.
Besides, it’s not the arbitrators job to determine how sweet a deal LOA 13 was for either party. The arbitrators sole job is to determine if any part of the NEA violates 1.F.7 and/or 1.F.8.
The company and ALPA both agree that it violates our CBA, so arbitration can really only go one way.
Same as if Jetblue were in negotiations to sell ALPA a house on a lot - but before a deal is reached, to everyone’s surprise the house burns down. Now Jetblue only has an empty lot to sell - the value on the deal just changed, and Jetblue has to chip in something else if they want to keep the original price tag.
Besides, it’s not the arbitrators job to determine how sweet a deal LOA 13 was for either party. The arbitrators sole job is to determine if any part of the NEA violates 1.F.7 and/or 1.F.8.
The company and ALPA both agree that it violates our CBA, so arbitration can really only go one way.
Except that the union made a proposal based off data collected from pilots at a time when furlough was still a real threat.
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I really want to think the MEC is smarter enough to know the situation has drastically changed but they couldn’t even see the situation was rapidly changing from the he time they started negotiating loa13(in October and November) to when we voted on it.
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I really want to think the MEC is smarter enough to know the situation has drastically changed but they couldn’t even see the situation was rapidly changing from the he time they started negotiating loa13(in October and November) to when we voted on it.
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* funny part is, I’ve yet to meet an acknowledged yes voter on the line. They’re there, they just don’t speak up. Maybe that bodes well for the future.
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I’d say that the same applies to a significant portion of the pilot group. Throw a few bucks at ‘em (2%, once, to be precise) and they’ll fold like a cheap card table. I’d like to think that things would be different the second time around, but history speaks for itself. Maybe a lesson was learned? Time will tell…
* funny part is, I’ve yet to meet an acknowledged yes voter on the line. They’re there, they just don’t speak up. Maybe that bodes well for the future.
* funny part is, I’ve yet to meet an acknowledged yes voter on the line. They’re there, they just don’t speak up. Maybe that bodes well for the future.
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New arbitration update says that while the union is committed to enforcing our contract, they are also following membership direction to obtain career protection.
It sounds like the MEC is merely using the data obtained from pilots which was collected before the recovery. That was a time when furlough was still a threat which makes that data irrelevant as the situation has changed.
It does not sound like they have adjusted their playbook to match reality which would be unfortunate. Perhaps I am reading too much into that one sentence, and I hope I am wrong.
It sounds like the MEC is merely using the data obtained from pilots which was collected before the recovery. That was a time when furlough was still a threat which makes that data irrelevant as the situation has changed.
It does not sound like they have adjusted their playbook to match reality which would be unfortunate. Perhaps I am reading too much into that one sentence, and I hope I am wrong.
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New arbitration update says that while the union is committed to enforcing our contract, they are also following membership direction to obtain career protection.
It sounds like the MEC is merely using the data obtained from pilots which was collected before the recovery. That was a time when furlough was still a threat which makes that data irrelevant as the situation has changed.
It does not sound like they have adjusted their playbook to match reality which would be unfortunate. Perhaps I am reading too much into that one sentence, and I hope I am wrong.
It sounds like the MEC is merely using the data obtained from pilots which was collected before the recovery. That was a time when furlough was still a threat which makes that data irrelevant as the situation has changed.
It does not sound like they have adjusted their playbook to match reality which would be unfortunate. Perhaps I am reading too much into that one sentence, and I hope I am wrong.
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