seekingblue

not out of the realm of possibilities…… lots of moving coming out of this bid.

feltf4

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/19/sout...s-fatigue.html

mean while we just keep on flying the NEA.

SaintNick

with the mec who wanted this crap deal to pass.... ya right. Weakest mec in the industry

feltf4

someone explain to me why we can’t do the same thing SWA is doing?

BeatNavy

The arbitrator told the MEC that any work/labor action would look bad for us in his eyes. So, they want to let the process work before they declare any labor action. Or so my rep told me. I told him I disagreed and that we can still not have a work action (which is illegal anyway) and still have informational picketing and a labor dispute (foodie Jim is the one who said we have a disagreement over the CBA—his words). So, basically we have a weak MEC who would rather play footsie and be text buddies with our VP of flight ops than put up any sort of real efforts with the pilot group, many of whom who are ready to hold a sign from my anecdotal conversations. But, it’s the same guys who unanimously tried as hard as possible to collaborate with Jim/Warren to sell this deal to the pilot group…so it’s kind of expected honestly.

seekingblue

please tell me you all have filled out your survey!

Roy Biggins

Yes, and I also conveyed my thoughts on the current MEC/NC (they asked). Outside of the 191 council, they are weak and pathetic….I have very little faith left in this group. This sh!t begins with CK…he needs to go.

Boomer

Per the last update, ALPA met with company on the 11th and the company did not want to pay for the scope relief they are already violating - 1.F.7 and 1.F.8. Both parties were scheduled to meet with the arbitrator again on the 16th.

I hope the arbitrator is ready to rule on the scope violation. Sending the parties back for another attempt at “negotiations” is just the arbitrator kicking the can down the road. Eventually he will need to make the hard decision to order the company to cease the offending chunk of the NEA, or he will need to nullify a section of our CBA.

The industry has clearly taken a 180 degree turn since LOA 13 was negotiated and the company wants to pay for our contract concessions with what amounts to “expired gift certificates” - furlough protection and severance packages - neither of which have any value in today’s world.

Clearly, the deal won’t pass unless there’s a substantial increase to the “2% raise in 2022” offer. The company has to pony up real cash in place of worthless no-furlough language. This is why the deal will not happen. So I repeat myself - time to arbitrate, Mr. Arbitrator. No more delays, the CBA requires expedited arbitration.

Time to pull off the bandaid.

UNDGUY

What is the order of bases from junior to senior?What would a wild guess be on how long to be awarded each one?

BeatNavy

We will know more when the bid award comes out in 2.5 weeks

But generally JFK 190/320 and BOS 190 goes to newhires. Occasionally LAX/FLL vacancies remain from bids and newhires can get them. But plan on 6-24 months to hold either of those. MCO kind of varies, but is the most senior. 1-4 years depending on 190 or 320–and other stuff.