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01-17-2017, 09:35 PM
#2441
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
This is why we are working on a CBA. We'll get some rules. Right now there are none. Keep ur aps cold. JBlue pilots will persevere.
-Bubs
PS (As long as we stop picking up RSA and VDA)
-Bubs
PS (As long as we stop picking up RSA and VDA)
Not sure why you are trying to help JetBlue retain pilots when it's actually managements job to do that?
01-18-2017, 05:50 AM
#2443
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: P-3C
Posts: 982
Originally Posted by Tom a Hawk
Yes it is their job. But unity and brotherhood is our job. We can't make it better if everyone who wants this place to be more leaves.
Thats certainly my case. I care that pilots want to be at B6. If you want a DAL, AA, SWA or UAL contract go there and start over. Our nascent CBA won't equal what the Legacy's, but it will reflect our value and the future of our group going forward.
Nothing irks me more that flying with a FO who can't wait to fly the HEAVY METAL at the Legacy. However, I find this sentiment to rarely echo my cockpit. Yes, we want to be like the Legacy, but we don't have to join the Legacy.
More importantly I've seen many a fellow military reservist get hired on at the Legacy and immediately get their #1 choice of 75/6 International. They quickly find the lifestyle unappealing, as your body objects being awake in Paris when its pretty sure its should be going to bed. These are guys who fly heavy metal in the military too.
Management at jetblue is very astute. They're multiple chess moves ahead of the MEC and NC. I see that as a negotiating plus. The company knows that it needs its pilots to just get enough incentive to do the cumbyah 110%. (RSA, VDA, OpenTime IROP) They also know they need to make $ and perform on wall-street and in the marketplace.
Case:
Who remembers when JBlue announced DTW? Sounded like a good plan. New city. Good customer base. Well it also set up the feed to the muslim Michigan population to connect in Boston to Dubai on Emirates. Check-Mate! Now, Emirates off Jetblue gates is a whole other debate. But thats how they make plays that pay $.
-Bubs
01-18-2017, 06:32 AM
#2444
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: Out
Posts: 448
Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
Preach On!
Thats certainly my case. I care that pilots want to be at B6. If you want a DAL, AA, SWA or UAL contract go there and start over. Our nascent CBA won't equal what the Legacy's, but it will reflect our value and the future of our group going forward.
Nothing irks me more that flying with a FO who can't wait to fly the HEAVY METAL at the Legacy. However, I find this sentiment to rarely echo my cockpit. Yes, we want to be like the Legacy, but we don't have to join the Legacy.
More importantly I've seen many a fellow military reservist get hired on at the Legacy and immediately get their #1 choice of 75/6 International. They quickly find the lifestyle unappealing, as your body objects being awake in Paris when its pretty sure its should be going to bed. These are guys who fly heavy metal in the military too.
Management at jetblue is very astute. They're multiple chess moves ahead of the MEC and NC. I see that as a negotiating plus. The company knows that it needs its pilots to just get enough incentive to do the cumbyah 110%. (RSA, VDA, OpenTime IROP) They also know they need to make $ and perform on wall-street and in the marketplace.
Case:
Who remembers when JBlue announced DTW? Sounded like a good plan. New city. Good customer base. Well it also set up the feed to the muslim Michigan population to connect in Boston to Dubai on Emirates. Check-Mate! Now, Emirates off Jetblue gates is a whole other debate. But thats how they make plays that pay $.
-Bubs
Thats certainly my case. I care that pilots want to be at B6. If you want a DAL, AA, SWA or UAL contract go there and start over. Our nascent CBA won't equal what the Legacy's, but it will reflect our value and the future of our group going forward.
Nothing irks me more that flying with a FO who can't wait to fly the HEAVY METAL at the Legacy. However, I find this sentiment to rarely echo my cockpit. Yes, we want to be like the Legacy, but we don't have to join the Legacy.
More importantly I've seen many a fellow military reservist get hired on at the Legacy and immediately get their #1 choice of 75/6 International. They quickly find the lifestyle unappealing, as your body objects being awake in Paris when its pretty sure its should be going to bed. These are guys who fly heavy metal in the military too.
Management at jetblue is very astute. They're multiple chess moves ahead of the MEC and NC. I see that as a negotiating plus. The company knows that it needs its pilots to just get enough incentive to do the cumbyah 110%. (RSA, VDA, OpenTime IROP) They also know they need to make $ and perform on wall-street and in the marketplace.
Case:
Who remembers when JBlue announced DTW? Sounded like a good plan. New city. Good customer base. Well it also set up the feed to the muslim Michigan population to connect in Boston to Dubai on Emirates. Check-Mate! Now, Emirates off Jetblue gates is a whole other debate. But thats how they make plays that pay $.
-Bubs
01-18-2017, 07:31 AM
#2445
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
Preach On!
Thats certainly my case. I care that pilots want to be at B6. If you want a DAL, AA, SWA or UAL contract go there and start over. Our nascent CBA won't equal what the Legacy's, but it will reflect our value and the future of our group going forward.
Nothing irks me more that flying with a FO who can't wait to fly the HEAVY METAL at the Legacy. However, I find this sentiment to rarely echo my cockpit. Yes, we want to be like the Legacy, but we don't have to join the Legacy.
More importantly I've seen many a fellow military reservist get hired on at the Legacy and immediately get their #1 choice of 75/6 International. They quickly find the lifestyle unappealing, as your body objects being awake in Paris when its pretty sure its should be going to bed. These are guys who fly heavy metal in the military too.
Management at jetblue is very astute. They're multiple chess moves ahead of the MEC and NC. I see that as a negotiating plus. The company knows that it needs its pilots to just get enough incentive to do the cumbyah 110%. (RSA, VDA, OpenTime IROP) They also know they need to make $ and perform on wall-street and in the marketplace.
Case:
Who remembers when JBlue announced DTW? Sounded like a good plan. New city. Good customer base. Well it also set up the feed to the muslim Michigan population to connect in Boston to Dubai on Emirates. Check-Mate! Now, Emirates off Jetblue gates is a whole other debate. But thats how they make plays that pay $.
-Bubs
Thats certainly my case. I care that pilots want to be at B6. If you want a DAL, AA, SWA or UAL contract go there and start over. Our nascent CBA won't equal what the Legacy's, but it will reflect our value and the future of our group going forward.
Nothing irks me more that flying with a FO who can't wait to fly the HEAVY METAL at the Legacy. However, I find this sentiment to rarely echo my cockpit. Yes, we want to be like the Legacy, but we don't have to join the Legacy.
More importantly I've seen many a fellow military reservist get hired on at the Legacy and immediately get their #1 choice of 75/6 International. They quickly find the lifestyle unappealing, as your body objects being awake in Paris when its pretty sure its should be going to bed. These are guys who fly heavy metal in the military too.
Management at jetblue is very astute. They're multiple chess moves ahead of the MEC and NC. I see that as a negotiating plus. The company knows that it needs its pilots to just get enough incentive to do the cumbyah 110%. (RSA, VDA, OpenTime IROP) They also know they need to make $ and perform on wall-street and in the marketplace.
Case:
Who remembers when JBlue announced DTW? Sounded like a good plan. New city. Good customer base. Well it also set up the feed to the muslim Michigan population to connect in Boston to Dubai on Emirates. Check-Mate! Now, Emirates off Jetblue gates is a whole other debate. But thats how they make plays that pay $.
-Bubs
Our contract won't equal our peers.
We don't know when we will get this substandard contract.
Management is 3 steps ahead of us.
And if you keep helping management recruit and retain pilots, they can delay our substandard contract even longer.
There's some brotherhood and unity for ya.
01-18-2017, 07:35 AM
#2446
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: Square root of the variance and average of the variation
Posts: 1,602
Originally Posted by Rascal
What your are saying is that JetBlue pilots are second tier and you are fine with that?
01-18-2017, 08:16 AM
#2448
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by Std Deviation
No he's saying there's a difference between a company the size of Jetblue and a legacy. Along with it, there's a difference in expectation. Are we going to get classic legacy wages? I don't think that's going to happen.I'm not being a naysayer or advocating a lower wage. I'm not the blue glove guy. I'm doing only 75 hrs a month and not picking up RSA or VDA. We can ask for $300 bucks an hour but we all know this is going to shake out higher than we are now but not at parity with Delta. That's pragmatic.
In a nut shell, I disagree with your basic premise.
01-18-2017, 08:33 AM
#2449
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 508
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Why exactly? Our profit MARGINS are higher than the big 4. To me that is the ONLY logical benchmark that adjusts for size/scale.
In a nut shell, I disagree with your basic premise.
In a nut shell, I disagree with your basic premise.
http://airlineweekly.com/JAN09.pdf
01-18-2017, 08:55 AM
#2450
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Posts: 660
Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
Preach On!
Thats certainly my case. I care that pilots want to be at B6. If you want a DAL, AA, SWA or UAL contract go there and start over. Our nascent CBA won't equal what the Legacy's, but it will reflect our value and the future of our group going forward.
Nothing irks me more that flying with a FO who can't wait to fly the HEAVY METAL at the Legacy. However, I find this sentiment to rarely echo my cockpit. Yes, we want to be like the Legacy, but we don't have to join the Legacy.
More importantly I've seen many a fellow military reservist get hired on at the Legacy and immediately get their #1 choice of 75/6 International. They quickly find the lifestyle unappealing, as your body objects being awake in Paris when its pretty sure its should be going to bed. These are guys who fly heavy metal in the military too.
Management at jetblue is very astute. They're multiple chess moves ahead of the MEC and NC. I see that as a negotiating plus. The company knows that it needs its pilots to just get enough incentive to do the cumbyah 110%. (RSA, VDA, OpenTime IROP) They also know they need to make $ and perform on wall-street and in the marketplace.
Case:
Who remembers when JBlue announced DTW? Sounded like a good plan. New city. Good customer base. Well it also set up the feed to the muslim Michigan population to connect in Boston to Dubai on Emirates. Check-Mate! Now, Emirates off Jetblue gates is a whole other debate. But thats how they make plays that pay $.
-Bubs
Thats certainly my case. I care that pilots want to be at B6. If you want a DAL, AA, SWA or UAL contract go there and start over. Our nascent CBA won't equal what the Legacy's, but it will reflect our value and the future of our group going forward.
Nothing irks me more that flying with a FO who can't wait to fly the HEAVY METAL at the Legacy. However, I find this sentiment to rarely echo my cockpit. Yes, we want to be like the Legacy, but we don't have to join the Legacy.
More importantly I've seen many a fellow military reservist get hired on at the Legacy and immediately get their #1 choice of 75/6 International. They quickly find the lifestyle unappealing, as your body objects being awake in Paris when its pretty sure its should be going to bed. These are guys who fly heavy metal in the military too.
Management at jetblue is very astute. They're multiple chess moves ahead of the MEC and NC. I see that as a negotiating plus. The company knows that it needs its pilots to just get enough incentive to do the cumbyah 110%. (RSA, VDA, OpenTime IROP) They also know they need to make $ and perform on wall-street and in the marketplace.
Case:
Who remembers when JBlue announced DTW? Sounded like a good plan. New city. Good customer base. Well it also set up the feed to the muslim Michigan population to connect in Boston to Dubai on Emirates. Check-Mate! Now, Emirates off Jetblue gates is a whole other debate. But thats how they make plays that pay $.
-Bubs
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