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03-08-2017 | 02:45 AM
#2941
Gets Weekends Off
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Just give my your's and I will request a new FO if I see you.
Is it that hard to just say the truth.
Instead of lying and saying we get 3% or 8% ( whatever you mood is) just say we get 13% from the company contributed to our 401K if we put in 5%. In addition to that we got 16% PS check. However, we should get 15-16 percent retirement with no match required, and still get a 16% profit sharing Check. But I guess telling lies is better. Either some people like to make stuff up or really are that stupid.
Is it that hard to just say the truth.
Instead of lying and saying we get 3% or 8% ( whatever you mood is) just say we get 13% from the company contributed to our 401K if we put in 5%. In addition to that we got 16% PS check. However, we should get 15-16 percent retirement with no match required, and still get a 16% profit sharing Check. But I guess telling lies is better. Either some people like to make stuff up or really are that stupid.
We have a 3% company defined contribution. Compared to 16% at United. The 5% that's deposited from the profit sharing cliff is never guaranteed.
03-08-2017 | 03:18 AM
#2942
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And all of that is at the company's discretion. They can change it tomorrow as demonstrated by our profit sharing change. I hope you enjoy your profit sharing check this year because it won't be as large next year.
We have a 3% company defined contribution. Compared to 16% at United. The 5% that's deposited from the profit sharing cliff is never guaranteed.
We have a 3% company defined contribution. Compared to 16% at United. The 5% that's deposited from the profit sharing cliff is never guaranteed.
03-08-2017 | 03:30 AM
#2943
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Airbus Capt
Just give my your's and I will request a new FO if I see you.
Is it that hard to just say the truth.
Instead of lying and saying we get 3% or 8% ( whatever you mood is) just say we get 13% from the company contributed to our 401K if we put in 5%. In addition to that we got 16% PS check. However, we should get 15-16 percent retirement with no match required, and still get a 16% profit sharing Check. But I guess telling lies is better. Either some people like to make stuff up or really are that stupid.
Is it that hard to just say the truth.
Instead of lying and saying we get 3% or 8% ( whatever you mood is) just say we get 13% from the company contributed to our 401K if we put in 5%. In addition to that we got 16% PS check. However, we should get 15-16 percent retirement with no match required, and still get a 16% profit sharing Check. But I guess telling lies is better. Either some people like to make stuff up or really are that stupid.
Remember they steal the first 5% of your profit sharing to fund that 13% 401k you are so proud of.
Try again bluejuicer.
03-08-2017 | 03:35 AM
#2944
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2014
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Let's take a look at 12 year AB captain pay. United is 264 an hour plus 16 retirement and 11 profit sharing. JB is 219 an hour plus 13 retirement and 16 profit sharing.
264 * 1.27 = 335
219* 1.29 = 282
In order to get us the same compensation we need a 19% raise. So we are behind. Is it 40%? No. Not at united anyway.
264 * 1.27 = 335
219* 1.29 = 282
In order to get us the same compensation we need a 19% raise. So we are behind. Is it 40%? No. Not at united anyway.
03-08-2017 | 03:36 AM
#2945
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Everything regardless of where you are can change tomorrow. Ask guys that use to have pensions. The fact is you guys are straight up lying about what we get. The company contributes 13% to our retirement not 3. So if we get offered a guarantee of 12% you going to be happy because its more than 3? I agree things need to ge better and we are in negotiations. Since a couple other carriers finished up a few months ago you guys act like we have been 40% behind for years, which we are not even 40% behind now. You lie on public boards about what we make and what we get. I get it your on a campaign to get people to not apply here, but just be honest and let educated people make their own decision. They don't make up this much on bluepilots. This site has become worse. Self loathing liars.
03-08-2017 | 03:40 AM
#2946
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Airbus Capt
Let's take a look at 12 year AB captain pay. United is 264 an hour plus 16 retirement and 11 profit sharing. JB is 219 an hour plus 13 retirement and 16 profit sharing.
264 * 1.27 = 335
219* 1.29 = 282
In order to get us the same compensation we need a 19% raise. So we are behind. Is it 40%? No. Not at united anyway.
264 * 1.27 = 335
219* 1.29 = 282
In order to get us the same compensation we need a 19% raise. So we are behind. Is it 40%? No. Not at united anyway.
Furthermore, how does your overly-simplistic and inappropriate comparison account for our sub-standard work rules, vacation, sick bank, hotels, healthcare???
Please elaborate?
03-08-2017 | 03:50 AM
#2947
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Everything regardless of where you are can change tomorrow. Ask guys that use to have pensions. The fact is you guys are straight up lying about what we get. The company contributes 13% to our retirement not 3. So if we get offered a guarantee of 12% you going to be happy because its more than 3? I agree things need to ge better and we are in negotiations. Since a couple other carriers finished up a few months ago you guys act like we have been 40% behind for years, which we are not even 40% behind now. You lie on public boards about what we make and what we get. I get it your on a campaign to get people to not apply here, but just be honest and let educated people make their own decision. They don't make up this much on bluepilots. This site has become worse. Self loathing liars.
Let's use this comparison. I make $121/hour. A United Airbus FO at my longevity makes $157/hour. That's a 33% difference right there. Add the retirement difference of 3% (I'm using your numbers there not mine) and now I'm at 36%. Bring healthcare into the debate and I'm well over 40% difference. So again please point out my lies WhiteHammer.
Profit sharing should never be used in compensation comparisons as it's upon management to run a profitable company and we cannot rely on that to happen to be properly compensated.
03-08-2017 | 03:57 AM
#2948
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,935
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From: Airbus Capt
Let's take a look at 12 year AB captain pay. United is 264 an hour plus 16 retirement and 11 profit sharing. JB is 219 an hour plus 13 retirement and 16 profit sharing.
264 * 1.27 = 335
219* 1.29 = 282
In order to get us the same compensation we need a 19% raise. So we are behind. Is it 40%? No. Not at united anyway.
264 * 1.27 = 335
219* 1.29 = 282
In order to get us the same compensation we need a 19% raise. So we are behind. Is it 40%? No. Not at united anyway.
Yet another epic failure on your part! LET THE GROWN UPS HANDLE THE MONEY PLEASE. You clearly don't know what the heck you are talking about!
03-08-2017 | 03:59 AM
#2949
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2007
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From: A320 Right Seat
It may have been mentioned here already but I think an important part of the retirement equation is that we only get the 5% match if we first put in 5%. So our take home is 5% lower in order to get the match, hence the definition of the word.
However, at the Big Three it looks like 16% is the number they put in and that is regardless of whether one puts in from their own pay or not. That's a big number.
However, at the Big Three it looks like 16% is the number they put in and that is regardless of whether one puts in from their own pay or not. That's a big number.
03-08-2017 | 04:03 AM
#2950
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Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,154
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Let's take a look at 12 year AB captain pay. United is 264 an hour plus 16 retirement and 11 profit sharing. JB is 219 an hour plus 13 retirement and 16 profit sharing.
264 * 1.27 = 335
219* 1.29 = 282
In order to get us the same compensation we need a 19% raise. So we are behind. Is it 40%? No. Not at united anyway.
264 * 1.27 = 335
219* 1.29 = 282
In order to get us the same compensation we need a 19% raise. So we are behind. Is it 40%? No. Not at united anyway.
And that doesn't take into consideration work rules, vaca/sick, HC, etc....
We're behind. By a LOT. And the gap is widening.
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