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05-15-2018, 01:10 PM
#6311
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Originally Posted by Total BS
"Cost" in the LCC context is the cost to bring the product to the market, not what the customer pays.
Nonsense. Nothing low cost about us. It is part of a mind game.
05-15-2018, 01:59 PM
#6312
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Oh, I see. I am sure the shareholders of DAL and AA would be interrested to find out that they are actually "high cost carriers". In fact the term legacy is a misnomer. HCC makes much more sense.
Nonsense. Nothing low cost about us. It is part of a mind game.
Nonsense. Nothing low cost about us. It is part of a mind game.
Delta, United and AA are not Legacy carriers or HCC
.They are failed models. Neeleman and Barger said so and Im believe them.
05-15-2018, 03:02 PM
#6313
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Originally Posted by jtrain609
It IS industry standard, and you'd know that if you'd been through more than this contract cycle before.
Delta and United's pilot contracts don't even reach the issue as far as I can find.
Delta and United's pilot contracts don't even reach the issue as far as I can find.
05-15-2018, 03:13 PM
#6314
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Originally Posted by benzoate
You guys are so stupid its killing me.
Delta, United and AA are not Legacy carriers or HCC.
They are failed models. Neeleman and Barger said so and Im believe them.
Delta, United and AA are not Legacy carriers or HCC
.They are failed models. Neeleman and Barger said so and Im believe them.
The term "low cost carrier" is a made up term, as is which companies end up in that group. All airlines try to be as low cost as possible, including the "legacies". It is utter nonsense that we are an LCC, therefore our pay should be less. It is a made up term, made up category. We are a national airline, just like DAL, AA, UAL, and SWA.
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05-15-2018, 04:14 PM
#6315
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Originally Posted by Total BS
"Cost" in the LCC context is the cost to bring the product to the market, not what the customer pays.
e.g. car vs light truck (buzzwords: SUV, crossover)
The reason that I ask is because unless it's a legal classification, I would challenge their fictional nomenclature if it's used to negotiate pay or work rules.
BJ loves to make up words for stuff:
- Flight vs. inflight, pilots vs. FAs
- Mint vs 1st class
I don't want them ever saying they don't have first class and thus don't compare to Delta, AA, United.
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05-15-2018, 04:17 PM
#6316
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Originally Posted by slimothy
Do you really think your NC/MEC would send you anything with the words “In accordance with [insert company controlled document]”? I’m not saying they’ll fix the cleaning problem, but I doubt they’ll leave anything as vague as that.
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05-15-2018, 04:25 PM
#6318
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Great, does an LCC corporation pay Coke less for their sugar water? Do they pay Michelin less for the rubber donuts? Do they short the fueler 20% for the dead dinosaurs?
They will no longer be shorting the Buck Rogers in the cockpit 20% either.
They will no longer be shorting the Buck Rogers in the cockpit 20% either.
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05-15-2018, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
I was being sarcastic. LCC implies that the non-LCC guys dont care about cost or something.
The term "low cost carrier" is a made up term, as is which companies end up in that group. All airlines try to be as low cost as possible, including the "legacies". It is utter nonsense that we are an LCC, therefore our pay should be less. It is a made up term, made up category. We are a national airline, just like DAL, AA, UAL, and SWA.
FUPM
The term "low cost carrier" is a made up term, as is which companies end up in that group. All airlines try to be as low cost as possible, including the "legacies". It is utter nonsense that we are an LCC, therefore our pay should be less. It is a made up term, made up category. We are a national airline, just like DAL, AA, UAL, and SWA.
FUPM
As far as I know, the only real classification for BJ is Part 121 air carrier, Flag carrier. Aren't AA, UA, DL also the same?
The whole "peer" airline thing is complete bunk to me. It's just a way to lower our pay and benefits.
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05-15-2018, 04:58 PM
#6320
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Originally Posted by queue
Doesn't the PEA reference and authorize other documents (FOM, Bluebook, FSM)?
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