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05-04-2019, 02:42 AM
#7901
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,515
Actually JS knows our operation is f’ed. Shocker here though, he isn’t allowed the power to actually fix it.
Our leadership structure is so screwed up. Departments internally fighting each other. Until flight ops wins that war and is given the power to run an airline, instead of a marketing company, nothing will change.
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Our leadership structure is so screwed up. Departments internally fighting each other. Until flight ops wins that war and is given the power to run an airline, instead of a marketing company, nothing will change.
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05-04-2019, 02:45 AM
#7902
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,515
Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
Just got the “Normal Operations” email from Sys Ops. All’s well. And this is noted from the “RSA E190 BOS CA and MCO CA/FO Email”. Normal Ops - Understaffed. Please Help.
I don’t mind guys making “overtime” but I can’t stand getting strung out on a 14 hour day (every time) I go to work. With the MOT desk essentially begging me to extend and when I say NO they act all shocked like ‘how can you strand all these customers?’.
That’s what’s makes me insane about Jblue right now. Our operation is garbage. The reason we can’t beat a 60% on time is because the operation is set up for failure before the day begins. Nuball55 says “oh rsa is for the early reserves.” Yeah, great that’s their fault and it’s step 1 of the failure to where I get abused. Step 2. No one is equipped to deal with the fact that I’m not going to “waive the cba”. That’s absurd. Anyone who does should take off their lanyard and stop paying dues. What’s the f-ing point? Hey, all the nonsense we went through over the last 4 years? Yeah, I’ll waive it. Come on! Wake up! I’ve been asked 3 times to waive the cba by MOT. Now we real time CNX. AO doesn’t know what to do because it takes 45 minutes for sys ops to get the message to cnx. I had 2 customers come yell at me as they deplaned. That’s great. It’s my fault.
The operation sucks. Someone has to be held accountable.
-Bubs
I don’t mind guys making “overtime” but I can’t stand getting strung out on a 14 hour day (every time) I go to work. With the MOT desk essentially begging me to extend and when I say NO they act all shocked like ‘how can you strand all these customers?’.
That’s what’s makes me insane about Jblue right now. Our operation is garbage. The reason we can’t beat a 60% on time is because the operation is set up for failure before the day begins. Nuball55 says “oh rsa is for the early reserves.” Yeah, great that’s their fault and it’s step 1 of the failure to where I get abused. Step 2. No one is equipped to deal with the fact that I’m not going to “waive the cba”. That’s absurd. Anyone who does should take off their lanyard and stop paying dues. What’s the f-ing point? Hey, all the nonsense we went through over the last 4 years? Yeah, I’ll waive it. Come on! Wake up! I’ve been asked 3 times to waive the cba by MOT. Now we real time CNX. AO doesn’t know what to do because it takes 45 minutes for sys ops to get the message to cnx. I had 2 customers come yell at me as they deplaned. That’s great. It’s my fault.
The operation sucks. Someone has to be held accountable.
-Bubs
What’s that old saying?
“Poor planning on your part, does not constitute an emergency on mine”
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05-04-2019, 05:37 AM
#7903
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: P-3C
Posts: 982
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Actually JS knows our operation is f’ed. Shocker here though, he isn’t allowed the power to actually fix it.
Our leadership structure is so screwed up. Departments internally fighting each other. Until flight ops wins that war and is given the power to run an airline, instead of a marketing company, nothing will change.
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Our leadership structure is so screwed up. Departments internally fighting each other. Until flight ops wins that war and is given the power to run an airline, instead of a marketing company, nothing will change.
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-Bubs
05-04-2019, 06:33 AM
#7904
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: A220 CA
Posts: 601
Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
I agree with this. I think Flight Ops (JS) and even PH is aware and reporting the effects of Planning’s deficiencies in its optimization of the pairings. It is costing millions more than the savings achieved. And it has caused a massive negative effect in the pilot groups quality of life.
-Bubs
-Bubs
1. why is crew services not a cost center? they can spend a million dollars to crew just one flight, and they are happy because the flight is not cancelled. then flight ops is stuck with a million dollar "minus" on their balance sheet.
2. over the past 3 months/6 months/9 months, how much extra has jetblue paid for staffing flights with pilots, compared to how much they would have paid if the airline were staffed with an appropriate number of people and had better operational procedures in place?
what else?
05-04-2019, 07:50 AM
#7905
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,918
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Actually JS knows our operation is f’ed. Shocker here though, he isn’t allowed the power to actually fix it.
Our leadership structure is so screwed up. Departments internally fighting each other. Until flight ops wins that war and is given the power to run an airline, instead of a marketing company, nothing will change.
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Our leadership structure is so screwed up. Departments internally fighting each other. Until flight ops wins that war and is given the power to run an airline, instead of a marketing company, nothing will change.
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This this this this.
I think it’s also Alex B who runs operations. Since he took over things continue to go downhill. I don’t understand the structure either it’s like it’s designed to not fix things. Yeah you “save” money here but spend way more over here. I actually think JS knows what’s up but is up against this structure that does not lend itself to changing. Look at the email about MX oh now they will try to answer? Or make it a priority why wasn’t it before? They just simply refuse to spend the money on a quality operation. I wish Wall St would ask about that.
05-04-2019, 07:53 AM
#7906
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,605
Originally Posted by dontsurf
funny how earnings calls only seem to mention "costs associated with the newly unionized pilots' contract". i take it no financial reporters read this board, and know nothing of the pathetic way that jetblue operates? if they did, it would seem like some of them would ask questions about this. what questions should they ask?
1. why is crew services not a cost center? they can spend a million dollars to crew just one flight, and they are happy because the flight is not cancelled. then flight ops is stuck with a million dollar "minus" on their balance sheet.
2. over the past 3 months/6 months/9 months, how much extra has jetblue paid for staffing flights with pilots, compared to how much they would have paid if the airline were staffed with an appropriate number of people and had better operational procedures in place?
what else?
1. why is crew services not a cost center? they can spend a million dollars to crew just one flight, and they are happy because the flight is not cancelled. then flight ops is stuck with a million dollar "minus" on their balance sheet.
2. over the past 3 months/6 months/9 months, how much extra has jetblue paid for staffing flights with pilots, compared to how much they would have paid if the airline were staffed with an appropriate number of people and had better operational procedures in place?
what else?
We staff the airline for blue sky days in September. Understaffing beyond that is part of the plan. Paying millions of dollars in VDA/RSA is the plan. They (or any airline really) will never staff the airline for levels associated with peak summer schedules all year round. It is more cost effective to pay overtime vs hiring new employees (cost of training, benefits, etc). I have never met an airline pilot anywhere who says "You know, staffing is looking great for the 4th of July. I might drop my trip"
05-04-2019, 08:36 AM
#7907
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,002
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
If JB is given a bucket that can hold 5lbs of poop then they will always try to put 10lbs in. Give them a 10lb bucket and they will try to put 20lbs in.
We staff the airline for blue sky days in September. Understaffing beyond that is part of the plan. Paying millions of dollars in VDA/RSA is the plan. They (or any airline really) will never staff the airline for levels associated with peak summer schedules all year round. It is more cost effective to pay overtime vs hiring new employees (cost of training, benefits, etc). I have never met an airline pilot anywhere who says "You know, staffing is looking great for the 4th of July. I might drop my trip"
We staff the airline for blue sky days in September. Understaffing beyond that is part of the plan. Paying millions of dollars in VDA/RSA is the plan. They (or any airline really) will never staff the airline for levels associated with peak summer schedules all year round. It is more cost effective to pay overtime vs hiring new employees (cost of training, benefits, etc). I have never met an airline pilot anywhere who says "You know, staffing is looking great for the 4th of July. I might drop my trip"
05-04-2019, 09:22 AM
#7910
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,918
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
If JB is given a bucket that can hold 5lbs of poop then they will always try to put 10lbs in. Give them a 10lb bucket and they will try to put 20lbs in.
We staff the airline for blue sky days in September. Understaffing beyond that is part of the plan. Paying millions of dollars in VDA/RSA is the plan. They (or any airline really) will never staff the airline for levels associated with peak summer schedules all year round. It is more cost effective to pay overtime vs hiring new employees (cost of training, benefits, etc). I have never met an airline pilot anywhere who says "You know, staffing is looking great for the 4th of July. I might drop my trip"
We staff the airline for blue sky days in September. Understaffing beyond that is part of the plan. Paying millions of dollars in VDA/RSA is the plan. They (or any airline really) will never staff the airline for levels associated with peak summer schedules all year round. It is more cost effective to pay overtime vs hiring new employees (cost of training, benefits, etc). I have never met an airline pilot anywhere who says "You know, staffing is looking great for the 4th of July. I might drop my trip"
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