You are telling others how to vote on here. Why can’t I? You lower the bar everyday you wake up...... You don’t even know how many there were and what I told them......

 

I am lowering the bar by fighting for a contract with pay and benefits our peers enjoy? Please explain.

 

I'm embarrassed for you, but nice redirect.

They continue to CHOOSE to CAN'T.

I'm not arguing they should have not delayed ETOPS again, again. Although o do believe that.

I'm saying "can't" is not an excuse because they choose to "can't".

So you saying they WILL when they CAN is already wrong, via history.

They CHOSE to "can't" and the continue to CHOOSE to "can't".

That means they CAN, but won't.

I know you see it, but refuse to admit it.

 

You are attempting to talk down to people to mask your true lack of understanding.

If you repeated that post in the Delta forum you would be distroyed with your comments that scope isn't for codesharing.

 

Yes, I understand the difference. It's semantics. A code share can be negotiated where they share revenue by "buying seats" on the other airline at cost. For example B6 could buy 45 seats on HA, and collect profits on flights to Honolulu without having to serve Honolulu. Further, if the CASM on HA is lower (read lower wages) then B6 benefits indirectly from that. But I am sure you knew that already.

 

Guys.

Breath. And read the Q/A section.

Or watch this video:

http://jbumec.alpa.org/Home/TA2018/tabid/11287/Default.aspx

 

I'll admit I'm over my head, but ALPA seems to disagree (unless I'm reading it wrong)

Can JetBlue use an operator such as JetSuite to provide feed under a Capacity Purchase Agreement?
No, agreed upon language prevents the Company from doing this. The Company is prohibited from entering into any Capacity Purchase Agreements or purchase Block Space on other carriers, and they cannot not purchase equity in, or lend to, another company that is an air carrier or an affiliate of an air carrier as a means to circumvent the provisions of our Scope agreement. Other provisions in scope prohibit JetBlue for using an entity like JetSuites as an alter ego or for doublebreasting

Look at the "prohibited to purchase block space" section. Thoughts?

 

Yes, not a complete answer at all.

We CAN and DO codeshare with JetSuiteX. That allows us to sell tickets onto JetSuiteX, not serve the route directly, and collect a portion of the ticket cost. It's the same thing we do on Air Lingus. Low-cost, low-risk way to serve markets without buying airplanes and serving the route ourselves.

Same as how we sell tickets onto Hawaiian Airlines to HNL so we don't have to get ETOPS. Same thing we will likely do with either Alaska or Moxy or both on domestic routes.

What we can't do is a Capacity Purchase Agreement. Which means we cannot have a regional in the traditional sense, although we could still codeshare with an existing or new RJ operator onto E170s or CRJ900s in the same way I described above.

A Capacity Purchase Agreement means we buy all the seats on an aircraft for all of the flights we contract them to do. When a mainline airline does that, they own and sell all the seats on their mainline website, they cover ALL the costs to provide that service, and collect all the ticket fares for that service.

For example, UAL might enter a 5 year Capacity Purchase Agreement with Skywest to operate 70 CRJ900s for a predetermined hourly rate. UAL pays Skywest for all costs (fuel, labor, training, aircraft rents, landing fees, etc) and controls the schedule and sells the tickets. Skywest just runs the regional under United Express's banner and under UALs schedule.

That we can't do, but that isn't the only way to skin a cat or the only threat to our careers/career progression.

 

watched the video on scope, I'll tend to believe the guy that has seen a codeshare agreement some yahoos on here.

 

You mean the guy trying to sell this thing?

Are we or are we not receiving and delivering customers with JetsuiteX? How is this not effectively a feed? This is legalese masking reality.

Let's not forget that we are being asked to accept industry trailing pay rates to accept this thing. Hard to spin the rates and profit sharing.