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06-25-2018, 07:06 AM
#6801
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,473
Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
Hes describing United all pilots are on long call then assigned SC or FSB after 2 conversions all other INVOLUNTARY SC assignments (scheduling assigned not picked up by the pilot) are 1hr above guarantee. Once you get a total of 6 SC all involuntary and voluntary SCs are paid at 1hr guarantee.
I was Involuntarily assigned 10 SCs in January so my pay was 83hrs. Flew 0.0 hours that month.
By the way nearly 100% of United pilots on reserve think our reserve rules are god awful and are fighting for a complete overhaul.
I was Involuntarily assigned 10 SCs in January so my pay was 83hrs. Flew 0.0 hours that month.
By the way nearly 100% of United pilots on reserve think our reserve rules are god awful and are fighting for a complete overhaul.
06-25-2018, 07:16 AM
#6802
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,137
Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
Care to explain why they think it’s bad. Just for comparison.
1. No limits on the amount of SC/FSB conversions
2. 24hr phone availability with poorly worded assignment windows.
3. No transparency on the historical need for SC/FSB pilots per day. The amount of pilots converted appears to be completely at the whim of a crew scheduling manager. Clear blue beautiful day with good weather across the country and 15 pilots are on SC And 5 are FSB? All assignments will get assigned and then a shift will change and you will get a call at 2am for a SC/FSB assignment.....Why?
4. Rolling days off for intl crews. Will assign a SC to a 6day reservist and assign a 6 day trip to a 3 day reservist. They want the 6 day pilot on reserve because they can do more with him.
5. We are considered system reserves. So if you are in an overstuffed vase you would think you would be sitting at home with your family. Nope they build a ton of SCs so they can give you a 2.5 hour callout to DH somewhere in the country.
6. First in first out has its perks but it creates a situation where your seniority means exactly nothing when you are on reserve. Your life is dictated by where you sit in a silo with no assignment bypass options.
7. Only 12 days off.
I know I’m forgetting stuff........
06-25-2018, 07:29 AM
#6803
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,236
Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
Honestly its to much to type but Ill give he big reasons. For more in depth do a search in the United forum there are atleast 3 long threads with a lot of issues presented.
1. No limits on the amount of SC/FSB conversions
2. 24hr phone availability with poorly worded assignment windows.
3. No transparency on the historical need for SC/FSB pilots per day. The amount of pilots converted appears to be completely at the whim of a crew scheduling manager. Clear blue beautiful day with good weather across the country and 15 pilots are on SC And 5 are FSB? All assignments will get assigned and then a shift will change and you will get a call at 2am for a SC/FSB assignment.....Why?
4. Rolling days off for intl crews. Will assign a SC to a 6day reservist and assign a 6 day trip to a 3 day reservist. They want the 6 day pilot on reserve because they can do more with him.
5. We are considered system reserves. So if you are in an overstuffed vase you would think you would be sitting at home with your family. Nope they build a ton of SCs so they can give you a 2.5 hour callout to DH somewhere in the country.
6. First in first out has its perks but it creates a situation where your seniority means exactly nothing when you are on reserve. Your life is dictated by where you sit in a silo with no assignment bypass options.
7. Only 12 days off.
I know Im forgetting stuff........
1. No limits on the amount of SC/FSB conversions
2. 24hr phone availability with poorly worded assignment windows.
3. No transparency on the historical need for SC/FSB pilots per day. The amount of pilots converted appears to be completely at the whim of a crew scheduling manager. Clear blue beautiful day with good weather across the country and 15 pilots are on SC And 5 are FSB? All assignments will get assigned and then a shift will change and you will get a call at 2am for a SC/FSB assignment.....Why?
4. Rolling days off for intl crews. Will assign a SC to a 6day reservist and assign a 6 day trip to a 3 day reservist. They want the 6 day pilot on reserve because they can do more with him.
5. We are considered system reserves. So if you are in an overstuffed vase you would think you would be sitting at home with your family. Nope they build a ton of SCs so they can give you a 2.5 hour callout to DH somewhere in the country.
6. First in first out has its perks but it creates a situation where your seniority means exactly nothing when you are on reserve. Your life is dictated by where you sit in a silo with no assignment bypass options.
7. Only 12 days off.
I know Im forgetting stuff........
06-25-2018, 07:43 AM
#6804
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,137
Originally Posted by rvr1800
A 3 day reserve can be assigned a 6 day trip?! Any additional compensation for that?
Domestic reserves cannot be rolled into their days off.
06-25-2018, 07:46 AM
#6805
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,445
Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
Honestly its to much to type but Ill give he big reasons. For more in depth do a search in the United forum there are atleast 3 long threads with a lot of issues presented.
1. No limits on the amount of SC/FSB conversions
2. 24hr phone availability with poorly worded assignment windows.
3. No transparency on the historical need for SC/FSB pilots per day. The amount of pilots converted appears to be completely at the whim of a crew scheduling manager. Clear blue beautiful day with good weather across the country and 15 pilots are on SC And 5 are FSB? All assignments will get assigned and then a shift will change and you will get a call at 2am for a SC/FSB assignment.....Why?
4. Rolling days off for intl crews. Will assign a SC to a 6day reservist and assign a 6 day trip to a 3 day reservist. They want the 6 day pilot on reserve because they can do more with him.
5. We are considered system reserves. So if you are in an overstuffed vase you would think you would be sitting at home with your family. Nope they build a ton of SCs so they can give you a 2.5 hour callout to DH somewhere in the country.
6. First in first out has its perks but it creates a situation where your seniority means exactly nothing when you are on reserve. Your life is dictated by where you sit in a silo with no assignment bypass options.
7. Only 12 days off.
I know Im forgetting stuff........
1. No limits on the amount of SC/FSB conversions
2. 24hr phone availability with poorly worded assignment windows.
3. No transparency on the historical need for SC/FSB pilots per day. The amount of pilots converted appears to be completely at the whim of a crew scheduling manager. Clear blue beautiful day with good weather across the country and 15 pilots are on SC And 5 are FSB? All assignments will get assigned and then a shift will change and you will get a call at 2am for a SC/FSB assignment.....Why?
4. Rolling days off for intl crews. Will assign a SC to a 6day reservist and assign a 6 day trip to a 3 day reservist. They want the 6 day pilot on reserve because they can do more with him.
5. We are considered system reserves. So if you are in an overstuffed vase you would think you would be sitting at home with your family. Nope they build a ton of SCs so they can give you a 2.5 hour callout to DH somewhere in the country.
6. First in first out has its perks but it creates a situation where your seniority means exactly nothing when you are on reserve. Your life is dictated by where you sit in a silo with no assignment bypass options.
7. Only 12 days off.
I know Im forgetting stuff........
06-25-2018, 08:26 AM
#6808
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,445
Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
I v never seen Jet Blues reserve rules
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Pilots will bid in PBS for either Long Call Reserve (LCR) or Short Call Reserve (SCR)
for the month, seniority always applies
Improved days off for Reserve Pilots
Short Call Reserves to receive 13 days off in 30-day bid period, 14 days off in
31-day bid period
Long Call Reserves to receive 12 days off in 30-day bid period, 13 days off in
31-day bid period. Exception:
Long Call Reserves will receive 14 days off in May, Sept, and October and,
13 days off in February for non-leap years, 14 in February for leap years
Converted Company discretion PRLs into true days off throughout the year
Company must award a minimum of 25% of Reserves Long Call and 30% Short Call
All lines in excess of Short Call requirement will be Long Call reserve
Example: If Company needs 60% of reserves to be Short Call, the
remaining 40% will be Long Call
PBS will award the reserve schedules in the same manner as today, and will contain
rules to retain 6 days on reserve maximum, 2 days off minimum unless waived by the
Pilot. If waived:
Pilots will now be able to bid for blocks of reserve between 3 and 18 days long
Pilots will now be able to bid for blocks of less than 2 days off between reserve
blocks
If longer than 6 days in a row of reserve or less than 2 days off between reserve
blocks, the Company will manage the FAR legalities for 30 hours free from duty
New High-Time Reserve provisions eliminates sitting reserve for free once you have
met your reserve obligation
Once a Reserve Pilot reaches 75:00 of credit, the Company must choose to
either remove all the remaining RSV days or pay 4:12 above guarantee for each
RSV day remaining
A Pilot whose RSV days are removed may pick up additional flying for added
credit
A Short Call Reserve will not be assigned a RAP or a Pairing prior to 1000 on their
first day of a reserve block.
Waivable by Pilot via bidding the early AM silo
A Long Call Reserve will not be assigned a Pairing or Short Call conversions prior to
1400 on their first day of a reserve block.
Long Call Reserve callout of 14 hours
New black-out period protection during possible window of no commutability
If unable to make report in black-out window, Pairing will be assigned to
SCR and the applicable LCR Pilot will be assigned SCR during the days
the assigned Pairing was scheduled to operate
LCR to SCR conversion rules do not apply
New Long Call reserve auto-release
Auto-released at 0800 on last day of reserve if not assigned a Pairing
Improved Short Call reserve auto-release
Auto-released (if no assignment) at RAP start time +6 hours, no earlier than
1100 and no later than 1700
Removed current provision for Company to call and notify a Reserve
Reserve Assignment Process (DRO) will begin at 0300 and it will be published no
later than 0800
Pilots will know their assignments far earlier than today
DRO publishing can only be delayed due to the limited circumstance of a
software failure.
Short Call Reserves can bid for RAP in 4 silos (A, B, C, and D) instead of todays AM
or PM-only options
Early morning, late morning, afternoon, evening silos available
Pilots awarded Long Call Reserve lines shall have all RSV days as Long Call except:
Company is only permitted to convert a maximum of 5 days per bid period from
Long Call to Short Call
Each converted day pays $100 above guarantee
Established rules governing the conversion process when selecting which
Reserve Pilot to convert, which factors in days of available reserve and number
of previous conversions for the Bid Period
Unless in a Level 2/3 IROP, Company may only covert via the DRO process
Long Call Reserves will be the primary means for assignment of open Pairings
in the Reserve Assignment Process (DRO) and unassigned Pairings that are
more than 14:30 prior to report time
Long Call Reserve Pilots assigned a next-day Pairing in the DRO or by Crew
Services is released from reserve obligations until report time of the Pairing so
long as the company is not in a level 2 or 3 IROP at the time of assignment.
Example: DRO published 0800 on Monday assigns a Pairing with a report
of 2000 on Tuesday. Pilot is off duty with no Company obligations until
2000 report on Tuesday.
Ability for Reserves to preference Pairings
Now awarded in seniority order
For Long Call Reserve, eliminated requirement for Pairing length to match days
remaining
Preferencing available until a Pilot has reached 40 hours of credit
Reserve Pilot can pick up Premium Open Time on days off and are paid above
guarantee.
Reserve Pilot may still utilize VDA.
Short Call Reserve callout improved to 2:30
Pilot must report 2:30 from initial contact attempt
Eliminated fifteen minute call-back window
LGA 2:45, LAX 3:00, PBI 3:15
Codified methodology to calculate callout in event of new co-domicile(s)
Protected vacation by restricting Company from assigning a Pairing with a scheduled
release time after 1659 to a Reserve the day prior to vacation
Reserve Pilots who are delayed past 0300 into a day off may elect either an additional
4:12 of pay above guarantee OR restoration of a day off
Restored day off is of Pilots choosing in current or subsequent bid period (if
published)
Retained prohibition on airport reserve
Retained prohibition on out-of-base reserve excluding TDY
Codified current Last-Day Release provisions
06-25-2018, 09:39 AM
#6809
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Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
From what I understand most places have LCR as the "default". Then you can be transitioned to SCR a certain number of days with a pay override when they do it. This is what makes reserve commute able elsewhere. No more than 6 days in your crash pad and plenty of heads up when you have transitioned. Because there is an override for SCL most people who live in base will volunteer, thus giving relief to the commuters. What we got is Pea +1.
Garbage.
Garbage.
06-25-2018, 09:41 AM
#6810
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 332
Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
The rsv section and scheduling are not garbage Pog.
And just so you know I'm serious:
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