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06-25-2018, 04:31 AM
#6791
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Position: P-3C
Posts: 982
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Bubs.
Most of this thing is cost neutral for the company. It's 3 steps forward 2 steps back. Your pay isn't going to go up that much. Granted, the reserve is slightly better than what we have now, you still have no idea what you will be doing until the day prior and it lags in commutability. It's basically what we have now with some tweaks.
For a small pay bump we give up say in ALL future aircraft orders?
Scope? Oh right we will claw back the code shares when the company is shrinking. That should go well.
I mean even a casual look at this thing is full of weak language and company give backs.
Most of this thing is cost neutral for the company. It's 3 steps forward 2 steps back. Your pay isn't going to go up that much. Granted, the reserve is slightly better than what we have now, you still have no idea what you will be doing until the day prior and it lags in commutability. It's basically what we have now with some tweaks.
For a small pay bump we give up say in ALL future aircraft orders?
Scope? Oh right we will claw back the code shares when the company is shrinking. That should go well.
I mean even a casual look at this thing is full of weak language and company give backs.
This isn’t a gem, but it’s polished quartz and right now we’ve got sand in our pockets.
-Bubs
06-25-2018, 04:36 AM
#6792
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
Everything the company has ever done has been cost neutral. The 2013 PEA. The 2018 pay raise and profit sharing metamorphosis. All cost neutral. I just don’t see where we will see gains in more negotiations that outweigh the losses of not having a deal now. It’s more cost neutrality.
This isn’t a gem, but it’s polished quartz and right now we’ve got sand in our pockets.
-Bubs
This isn’t a gem, but it’s polished quartz and right now we’ve got sand in our pockets.
-Bubs
06-25-2018, 04:45 AM
#6793
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,236
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Our future under this contract is to lag the industry in almost all sections (including reserve rules) pretty much forever. Let's start the clock on a new NC and a real contract.
Implementation timeline is the issue.
06-25-2018, 05:56 AM
#6794
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Posts: 1,445
Originally Posted by rvr1800
Could you point out where we would lag on the reserve rules? I’d argue we’re towards the top in that section.
Implementation timeline is the issue.
Implementation timeline is the issue.
Garbage.
06-25-2018, 05:58 AM
#6795
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Posts: 1,473
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
From what I understand most places have LCR as the "default". Then you can be transitioned to SCR a certain number of days with a pay override when they do it. This is what makes reserve commute able elsewhere. No more then 6 days in your crash pad and plenty of heads up when you have transitioned. Because there is an override for SCL most people who live in base will volunteer, thus giving relief to the commuters. What we got is Pea +1.
Garbage.
Garbage.
06-25-2018, 06:18 AM
#6796
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Posts: 1,236
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
From what I understand most places have LCR as the "default". Then you can be transitioned to SCR a certain number of days with a pay override when they do it. This is what makes reserve commute able elsewhere. No more than 6 days in your crash pad and plenty of heads up when you have transitioned. Because there is an override for SCL most people who live in base will volunteer, thus giving relief to the commuters. What we got is Pea +1.
Garbage.
Garbage.
06-25-2018, 06:22 AM
#6797
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Posts: 1,236
Originally Posted by Southerner
Unfortunately it won't. The barriers to implementation are mostly due to software, which won't come any faster if we vote no.
Vote yes/no on the merits of the agreement itself, rather than the implementation timeline.
Vote yes/no on the merits of the agreement itself, rather than the implementation timeline.
06-25-2018, 06:25 AM
#6798
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Posts: 332
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
From what I understand most places have LCR as the "default". Then you can be transitioned to SCR a certain number of days with a pay override when they do it. This is what makes reserve commute able elsewhere. No more than 6 days in your crash pad and plenty of heads up when you have transitioned. Because there is an override for SCL most people who live in base will volunteer, thus giving relief to the commuters. What we got is Pea +1.
Garbage.
Garbage.
Yes, United pilots are on long call, but they can be converted to short call every single day they're on reserve. After so many conversions, I think 6, they get an extra hour above guarantee for each conversion. So possibly an extra 12 hours.
United also has airport reserve.
06-25-2018, 06:47 AM
#6799
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Posts: 1,445
Originally Posted by rvr1800
Can I get a source for this? Not trying to be a d*ck but “from what I understand” doesn’t quite hold up. The more verifiable facts we can post the more educated people will be when it comes to voting time.
06-25-2018, 06:58 AM
#6800
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Position: 787
Posts: 3,137
Originally Posted by rvr1800
Can I get a source for this? Not trying to be a d*ck but “from what I understand” doesn’t quite hold up. The more verifiable facts we can post the more educated people will be when it comes to voting time.
I was Involuntarily assigned 10 SCs in January so my pay was 83hrs. Flew 0.0 hours that month.
By the way nearly 100% of United pilots on reserve think our reserve rules are god awful and are fighting for a complete overhaul.
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