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06-23-2020, 10:36 AM
#8641
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,588
Originally Posted by disenchantMINT
Why JFK? With the big NY Metro emphasis now and five local airports to operate from I can't fathom the JFK base closing until a significant number of 220s are on property. People have been beating the 190-JFK-is-closing drum for years but the base only grew (~15% IIRC) during that time.
Ahhhh this is the stuff I come to APC and The Farm for, people opining on contract items of which they haven't even read the details.
Ahhhh this is the stuff I come to APC and The Farm for, people opining on contract items of which they haven't even read the details.
I dont see much of a path forward for 60 190s in the fleet lasting until we get 220s to replace them. We would need a drastic increase in business travel demand. The only case I could see is the FAA not extending the slot usage waiver for JFK/LGA/DCA and forcing everyone to use it or lose it after October 24th. If airlines are forced to squat on slots then yes we should keep the fleet around and fly JFK-DCA-LGA and back all day just to cover the slots.
06-23-2020, 10:40 AM
#8642
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: B6
Posts: 1,047
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
I actually think MCO is the last one to close. The island flying is likely to be the last to go away on the 190.
190’s will disappear out of BOS and JFK first. On the last system bid the BOS base already shrunk. I realize things have changed since then but the one thing to actually be hurting the most is business travel. The 190’s in BOS are all targeted at business routes. The 220 is also slated to go to BOS first. Or at least it was.
The MCO base also serves as a reserve base for the entire state. I have taken limos from mco to every single city we serve in Florida.
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190’s will disappear out of BOS and JFK first. On the last system bid the BOS base already shrunk. I realize things have changed since then but the one thing to actually be hurting the most is business travel. The 190’s in BOS are all targeted at business routes. The 220 is also slated to go to BOS first. Or at least it was.
The MCO base also serves as a reserve base for the entire state. I have taken limos from mco to every single city we serve in Florida.
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Hmmmm.....Are you based in MCO?
06-23-2020, 10:42 AM
#8643
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,588
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
I actually think MCO is the last one to close. The island flying is likely to be the last to go away on the 190.
190’s will disappear out of BOS and JFK first. On the last system bid the BOS base already shrunk. I realize things have changed since then but the one thing to actually be hurting the most is business travel. The 190’s in BOS are all targeted at business routes. The 220 is also slated to go to BOS first. Or at least it was.
The MCO base also serves as a reserve base for the entire state. I have taken limos from mco to every single city we serve in Florida.
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190’s will disappear out of BOS and JFK first. On the last system bid the BOS base already shrunk. I realize things have changed since then but the one thing to actually be hurting the most is business travel. The 190’s in BOS are all targeted at business routes. The 220 is also slated to go to BOS first. Or at least it was.
The MCO base also serves as a reserve base for the entire state. I have taken limos from mco to every single city we serve in Florida.
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06-23-2020, 11:58 AM
#8646
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Left,Right, Left, Right,Right,Left, Right, Left
Posts: 3,150
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
I could see all Florida 190 flying either cut or upgauged to 320s to be honest.
06-24-2020, 05:08 AM
#8647
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Position: Straight outta LoCash
Posts: 176
Originally Posted by Bgood
This is what I was noticing too. Maybe a displacement bid for 190 guys come August or atleast a lot of Bus openings? But at the same time it would seem very aggressive or maybe too aggressive to pull most or all of the 190s off the line with not even a 220 on property yet as of today. I'd think atleast 2 or 3 220s to be on property up and running before 1 or 2 190s status switches from temporarily to permanently parked.
I'm thinking many of the 190's are already permanently parked they just haven't made it official.
Wouldn't be surprised to see displacements into the 320 AND the 220 come August, with 220 training dates that coincide with arrivals of airframes. OR, if we have to resort to involuntary actions, 41 190's are parked, that's a decent number of pilots.
As others have said, look at the current 190 flying to get a sense of what the remaining airframes might cover until they too are gone. I'm a RIC commuter and for July that's been swapped out to 1X daily on a 320. I expect that for a long time. I could even see some of the shuttle flights going to less frequency. Let's be honest, 12 flights a day to DCA with a little weather thrown in is a borderline disaster anyway.
06-24-2020, 06:40 AM
#8648
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 917
Originally Posted by RedOverWhite
I'm thinking many of the 190's are already permanently parked they just haven't made it official.
Wouldn't be surprised to see displacements into the 320 AND the 220 come August, with 220 training dates that coincide with arrivals of airframes. OR, if we have to resort to involuntary actions, 41 190's are parked, that's a decent number of pilots.
As others have said, look at the current 190 flying to get a sense of what the remaining airframes might cover until they too are gone. I'm a RIC commuter and for July that's been swapped out to 1X daily on a 320. I expect that for a long time. I could even see some of the shuttle flights going to less frequency. Let's be honest, 12 flights a day to DCA with a little weather thrown in is a borderline disaster anyway.
Wouldn't be surprised to see displacements into the 320 AND the 220 come August, with 220 training dates that coincide with arrivals of airframes. OR, if we have to resort to involuntary actions, 41 190's are parked, that's a decent number of pilots.
As others have said, look at the current 190 flying to get a sense of what the remaining airframes might cover until they too are gone. I'm a RIC commuter and for July that's been swapped out to 1X daily on a 320. I expect that for a long time. I could even see some of the shuttle flights going to less frequency. Let's be honest, 12 flights a day to DCA with a little weather thrown in is a borderline disaster anyway.
06-24-2020, 09:12 AM
#8649
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Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 357
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
I guess it is hard to see what NYC 190 would realistically operate considering the current level of flying. 190 only operates JFK-SYR/ROC/ACK/MVY/BOS/ORH. What would you envision it operate in the future to justify a base vs having BOS based 190 pilots fly through and cover?
You mention JFK, but there's also many flights from HPN/EWR/LGA/SWF consider. Eventually that flying will come back and those stations have quite a bit of 190 flying.
190 scheduling/staffing isn't going to be based on June 2020. It will be based on 2021 and beyond (assuming the airline doesn't shrink post-2021 with the 190s retired early as a result).
06-24-2020, 11:15 AM
#8650
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,918
Originally Posted by RedOverWhite
I'm thinking many of the 190's are already permanently parked they just haven't made it official.
Wouldn't be surprised to see displacements into the 320 AND the 220 come August, with 220 training dates that coincide with arrivals of airframes. OR, if we have to resort to involuntary actions, 41 190's are parked, that's a decent number of pilots.
As others have said, look at the current 190 flying to get a sense of what the remaining airframes might cover until they too are gone. I'm a RIC commuter and for July that's been swapped out to 1X daily on a 320. I expect that for a long time. I could even see some of the shuttle flights going to less frequency. Let's be honest, 12 flights a day to DCA with a little weather thrown in is a borderline disaster anyway.
Wouldn't be surprised to see displacements into the 320 AND the 220 come August, with 220 training dates that coincide with arrivals of airframes. OR, if we have to resort to involuntary actions, 41 190's are parked, that's a decent number of pilots.
As others have said, look at the current 190 flying to get a sense of what the remaining airframes might cover until they too are gone. I'm a RIC commuter and for July that's been swapped out to 1X daily on a 320. I expect that for a long time. I could even see some of the shuttle flights going to less frequency. Let's be honest, 12 flights a day to DCA with a little weather thrown in is a borderline disaster anyway.
you leave those dc flights alone.
But maybe 6 a day on the bus would be good. Use the other slots for something else.
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