Originally Posted by localizer

How about the 220 going junior or senior? Is there interest from the more senior 190/bus guys to learn that airplane?

Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18

Your missing the point. It’s not about saving the company $$. It’s about the need for more pilots. If every rsv is working 2 less days a month we need more pilots to cover the required staffing. The company will only ever keep the number of pilots it needs regardless of how much they cost.

Our rsv days are worth 4:12. We traded 2 additional days off for 5 hours of pay. We actually came out ahead and increased the total staffing need.


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Originally Posted by copy

We didn’t have a 5 hour give per seat. Lineholder guarantee stayed the same at 70. ALV dropped from 74 to 70 or below. So you can make an argument that there was a 4 hour give, but the problem with that argument is 1) ALV isn’t a guarantee, and 2) our furlough mitigation language allows ALV to be dropped and doesn’t require member ratification (unlike guarantee).

Line holders will likely be getting 40-60 hour lines, so working 10-12 days, and can pick up as much open time as they want, all over their 70 hour guarantee. So depending on how much open time there is and what the actual ALVs end up being, line holders will be able to credit more and work even less than before. The difference between guarantee and their line value is free money/credit.

So in short, you need to use maybe 20-30% max of the pilots taking a 5 hour pay cut (reserve). Also, we aren’t anywhere near maxed on our pay scales. 1000 FOs have been hired in the last 4.5 years. I’d guess you’d be more accurate if you used year 6 pay rates for the avg FO. You can maybe max the CAs out for your calcs, but we have a quite a few 4-11 year CAs as well.

Originally Posted by Blue Dude

It's about a 4% cut for A320 captains, or about 3 hrs of flying per month above min guarantee to make up the difference if you want to look at it that way. Depending on base and schedule, you may find some A320 captains make the jump for QOL reasons. I'd consider it. Initially I'd expect it to go mostly to current E190 pilots from the same base.

Originally Posted by nuball5

This back and forth between AA and JetBlue ain’t helping anyone, so I thought I’d at least try and change the subject.

Any predictions for what should be a crazy System Bid?
Massive displacements systemwide or just LGB?
A big shift from the 190 to Bus?
I heard about 100 vacancies on the A220, does that go senior or junior?
Will there be vacancies for the LR flying or will that come later?

Or we can keep trying to find that link between AA warn letters and JetBlue LOA 12.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Again, exactly what I was saying. I was purposefully overestimating. Concessions do not save the company or more specifically, they do not save you.

Good luck to us all.

Originally Posted by nuball5

This back and forth between AA and JetBlue ain’t helping anyone, so I thought I’d at least try and change the subject.

Any predictions for what should be a crazy System Bid?
Massive displacements systemwide or just LGB?
A big shift from the 190 to Bus?
I heard about 100 vacancies on the A220, does that go senior or junior?
Will there be vacancies for the LR flying or will that come later?

Or we can keep trying to find that link between AA warn letters and JetBlue LOA 12.

Originally Posted by copy

My point is what B6 ALPA unilaterally agreed to (and thusly violated the policy manual) isn’t much of a concession to anyone but reserves (that’s me), but reserve now gets 2 more days off. So it’s a “concession” with a more valuable benefit that comes along with it based on our daily reserve value.

But however you look at that, what is indisputable is that jobs are secure until May 1st. Both the company and the union said without the agreement, furloughs would have happened. So did those “concessions” save jobs? I’d argue they did, for a little while at least. Beyond May, who knows...but the “concessions” end then anyway and it’s back to to the old contractual mins, up for negotiating an extension, or straight to the furlough chopping block. Or BK, in which case all this is out the window and a BK judge will gut our contract and we still won’t get a vote.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

When does the codeshare (your scope change) expire?

Originally Posted by Elismcpikle

dude... we just changed subject and you said peace out yet here u come again. I don’t like you one bit.