Gojet!!!
02-27-2009, 03:55 AM
#241
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Originally Posted by Mach93
You don't get it do you. Its not about you.
02-27-2009, 07:36 AM
#242
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Oh for God's sake. I guess I'm gonna have to wake up and start typing a response here. Some of the things I have read in this thread are absolutely absurd. I like TSA pilots. I work with them, side by side in Dulles and ORD. I've had the chance to talk to them, and spend time with them, and learn about their history, and I understand their frustrations. We at Mesa have undergone similar problems in our history.
Our alterego airline was shutdown, and those pilots have NOT been forgotten. I only know a few, and one of them I respect enough because he is brutally honest about why he did it, and does not hide it, and is genuinely sorry about it. Everytime I hear a limpturd callsign on the radio, my blood just boils a little bit because that should be a waterski call sign. There are good people at TSA that have been furloughed because of GoJet.
I don't care what these people going to GoJet say. "Oh, well I am furloughed and it's the only place that's hiring." Waah, Waah, Waah. Cry me a river. So what you are saying is that you are better than another pilot, and are willing to put him on the street and support a bad cause because you are selfish? That's the way I look at it. I appreciate and understand furloughed guys (especially the major guys - although they know the game better than a lot of regional guys, and should KNOW BETTER). I know they need to get a job and get some income - but why go to GoJet when you are knowingly putting some other guys OUT of work. It's like you are stepping all over them to get a small paycheck. You'd be better off getting a local job, and you'd probably feel a lot better at the end of the day!
In this day and age, we have to support each other, and respect each other. I can't do that for GoJet pilots though, as to me, they have forgotten about the rest of their brothers and sisters at other carriers. Those people at TSA deserve some support, and they are good people. They have mine - and always will.
This is to Pause: I just can't believe you are on here trying to justify this. Most good GoJet guys just slink around and don't say anything because they KNOW they have no right. You are just acting arrogant and selfish, and are the poster boy for GoJet pilots. This is the way we feel GJ pilots are. As far as telling you face to face what I think - you bet your butt I do. I've had 3 GJ pilots try to ride with me, I've told 2 of them to take a hike, and explained why (and I'm the F/O, the captain just piped up and said "Yeah that!") and I was nice enough to let the third come with me as he was deathly ill, and I do have a heart sometimes. Although he was in the last row and was in the lav every 10 minutes - I actually felt bad for him, sort of.
Our alterego airline was shutdown, and those pilots have NOT been forgotten. I only know a few, and one of them I respect enough because he is brutally honest about why he did it, and does not hide it, and is genuinely sorry about it. Everytime I hear a limpturd callsign on the radio, my blood just boils a little bit because that should be a waterski call sign. There are good people at TSA that have been furloughed because of GoJet.
I don't care what these people going to GoJet say. "Oh, well I am furloughed and it's the only place that's hiring." Waah, Waah, Waah. Cry me a river. So what you are saying is that you are better than another pilot, and are willing to put him on the street and support a bad cause because you are selfish? That's the way I look at it. I appreciate and understand furloughed guys (especially the major guys - although they know the game better than a lot of regional guys, and should KNOW BETTER). I know they need to get a job and get some income - but why go to GoJet when you are knowingly putting some other guys OUT of work. It's like you are stepping all over them to get a small paycheck. You'd be better off getting a local job, and you'd probably feel a lot better at the end of the day!
In this day and age, we have to support each other, and respect each other. I can't do that for GoJet pilots though, as to me, they have forgotten about the rest of their brothers and sisters at other carriers. Those people at TSA deserve some support, and they are good people. They have mine - and always will.
This is to Pause: I just can't believe you are on here trying to justify this. Most good GoJet guys just slink around and don't say anything because they KNOW they have no right. You are just acting arrogant and selfish, and are the poster boy for GoJet pilots. This is the way we feel GJ pilots are. As far as telling you face to face what I think - you bet your butt I do. I've had 3 GJ pilots try to ride with me, I've told 2 of them to take a hike, and explained why (and I'm the F/O, the captain just piped up and said "Yeah that!") and I was nice enough to let the third come with me as he was deathly ill, and I do have a heart sometimes. Although he was in the last row and was in the lav every 10 minutes - I actually felt bad for him, sort of.
02-27-2009, 12:09 PM
#243
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Originally Posted by DublinFlyer
Oh for God's sake. I guess I'm gonna have to wake up and start typing a response here. Some of the things I have read in this thread are absolutely absurd. I like TSA pilots. I work with them, side by side in Dulles and ORD. I've had the chance to talk to them, and spend time with them, and learn about their history, and I understand their frustrations. We at Mesa have undergone similar problems in our history.
Our alterego airline was shutdown, and those pilots have NOT been forgotten. I only know a few, and one of them I respect enough because he is brutally honest about why he did it, and does not hide it, and is genuinely sorry about it. Everytime I hear a limpturd callsign on the radio, my blood just boils a little bit because that should be a waterski call sign. There are good people at TSA that have been furloughed because of GoJet.
I don't care what these people going to GoJet say. "Oh, well I am furloughed and it's the only place that's hiring." Waah, Waah, Waah. Cry me a river. So what you are saying is that you are better than another pilot, and are willing to put him on the street and support a bad cause because you are selfish? That's the way I look at it. I appreciate and understand furloughed guys (especially the major guys - although they know the game better than a lot of regional guys, and should KNOW BETTER). I know they need to get a job and get some income - but why go to GoJet when you are knowingly putting some other guys OUT of work. It's like you are stepping all over them to get a small paycheck. You'd be better off getting a local job, and you'd probably feel a lot better at the end of the day!
In this day and age, we have to support each other, and respect each other. I can't do that for GoJet pilots though, as to me, they have forgotten about the rest of their brothers and sisters at other carriers. Those people at TSA deserve some support, and they are good people. They have mine - and always will.
This is to Pause: I just can't believe you are on here trying to justify this. Most good GoJet guys just slink around and don't say anything because they KNOW they have no right. You are just acting arrogant and selfish, and are the poster boy for GoJet pilots. This is the way we feel GJ pilots are. As far as telling you face to face what I think - you bet your butt I do. I've had 3 GJ pilots try to ride with me, I've told 2 of them to take a hike, and explained why (and I'm the F/O, the captain just piped up and said "Yeah that!") and I was nice enough to let the third come with me as he was deathly ill, and I do have a heart sometimes. Although he was in the last row and was in the lav every 10 minutes - I actually felt bad for him, sort of.
Our alterego airline was shutdown, and those pilots have NOT been forgotten. I only know a few, and one of them I respect enough because he is brutally honest about why he did it, and does not hide it, and is genuinely sorry about it. Everytime I hear a limpturd callsign on the radio, my blood just boils a little bit because that should be a waterski call sign. There are good people at TSA that have been furloughed because of GoJet.
I don't care what these people going to GoJet say. "Oh, well I am furloughed and it's the only place that's hiring." Waah, Waah, Waah. Cry me a river. So what you are saying is that you are better than another pilot, and are willing to put him on the street and support a bad cause because you are selfish? That's the way I look at it. I appreciate and understand furloughed guys (especially the major guys - although they know the game better than a lot of regional guys, and should KNOW BETTER). I know they need to get a job and get some income - but why go to GoJet when you are knowingly putting some other guys OUT of work. It's like you are stepping all over them to get a small paycheck. You'd be better off getting a local job, and you'd probably feel a lot better at the end of the day!
In this day and age, we have to support each other, and respect each other. I can't do that for GoJet pilots though, as to me, they have forgotten about the rest of their brothers and sisters at other carriers. Those people at TSA deserve some support, and they are good people. They have mine - and always will.
This is to Pause: I just can't believe you are on here trying to justify this. Most good GoJet guys just slink around and don't say anything because they KNOW they have no right. You are just acting arrogant and selfish, and are the poster boy for GoJet pilots. This is the way we feel GJ pilots are. As far as telling you face to face what I think - you bet your butt I do. I've had 3 GJ pilots try to ride with me, I've told 2 of them to take a hike, and explained why (and I'm the F/O, the captain just piped up and said "Yeah that!") and I was nice enough to let the third come with me as he was deathly ill, and I do have a heart sometimes. Although he was in the last row and was in the lav every 10 minutes - I actually felt bad for him, sort of.
I know of one thing you could do as a Mesa pilot, tell your fellow pilots not to sign a concessionary contract next time.
Thank you for "raising the bar". 250 hour wonder
02-27-2009, 12:15 PM
#244
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I think its great that people here suggest its better to flip burgers than fly for GJ. Some of you guys swear an allegiance to treat each and every GJ pilot as a scab, even those who take jobs today, guys that have nothing to do with the mess in the past. Do you guys even know what a scab is? A person who takes a job at GJ today isnt crossing any picket line. They arent replacement pilots. They arent back stabbing anyone. Yea, you might have a reason to hold a grudge with those who initially went to work there, but what right do you have to chastise someone for going there today? A person who takes a job there TODAY is anything but a scab and does not deserve to be blackballed.
Ah gotta love the 20 year old FO, who btw is making 18 bucks an hour and lowering the bar for ALL OF US, who refuses a ride to a fellow pilot because the name on their id badge. I am sure the poor soul probably never did anything to you, probably took that GJ job long after this fiasco. Riddle me this hotshot FO: How are you going to justify looking down on ANYONE when you take a job flying a 50+ seat jet for 25 thousand a year? I think a lot of people around here need a reality check.
Ah gotta love the 20 year old FO, who btw is making 18 bucks an hour and lowering the bar for ALL OF US, who refuses a ride to a fellow pilot because the name on their id badge. I am sure the poor soul probably never did anything to you, probably took that GJ job long after this fiasco. Riddle me this hotshot FO: How are you going to justify looking down on ANYONE when you take a job flying a 50+ seat jet for 25 thousand a year? I think a lot of people around here need a reality check.
02-27-2009, 01:05 PM
#245
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Originally Posted by DublinFlyer
This is to Pause: I just can't believe you are on here trying to justify this. Most good GoJet guys just slink around and don't say anything because they KNOW they have no right. You are just acting arrogant and selfish, and are the poster boy for GoJet pilots. This is the way we feel GJ pilots are. As far as telling you face to face what I think - you bet your butt I do. I've had 3 GJ pilots try to ride with me, I've told 2 of them to take a hike, and explained why (and I'm the F/O, the captain just piped up and said "Yeah that!") and I was nice enough to let the third come with me as he was deathly ill, and I do have a heart sometimes. Although he was in the last row and was in the lav every 10 minutes - I actually felt bad for him, sort of.
02-27-2009, 03:01 PM
#246
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Excel I think you have said it best! I dont see any of these young 20 something F/O's quiting their jobs to go flip burgers or anyother job outside aviation. But from what I have gathered on this website is they are the ones that have "all the answers" and whine about what they do. I also ask do these guys even know the def of a scab? I have applied to GoJet, if I am hired I will go and work. I am just at a loss, this is such a great job at least for me. We could all have a desk job, same drive to work 5 days a week, have the same routine day in and day out. Also what a job with a view! I am not in this industry for the money, I am in it because I love it! I wish others would take a step back and look at it that way.
My 2 cents!
My 2 cents!
02-27-2009, 06:27 PM
#247
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Anyone here who's first aviation job was flying for a regional SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP! Put some freakin time in earn your way to flying My Mother and other peoples families around. So what if a guy get a job at Go Jets, every single regional is full of "scabs" you guys have put countless legacy guys out on the street. All I ever read is regional guys fighting back and forth about who's more "airlinish and less regionalish", maybe, just maybe if you all stuck together as one entity you would get something accomplished.
02-27-2009, 07:39 PM
#248
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Originally Posted by DublinFlyer
Oh for God's sake. I guess I'm gonna have to wake up and start typing a response here. Some of the things I have read in this thread are absolutely absurd. I like TSA pilots. I work with them, side by side in Dulles and ORD. I've had the chance to talk to them, and spend time with them, and learn about their history, and I understand their frustrations. We at Mesa have undergone similar problems in our history.
Our alterego airline was shutdown, and those pilots have NOT been forgotten. I only know a few, and one of them I respect enough because he is brutally honest about why he did it, and does not hide it, and is genuinely sorry about it. Everytime I hear a limpturd callsign on the radio, my blood just boils a little bit because that should be a waterski call sign. There are good people at TSA that have been furloughed because of GoJet.
I don't care what these people going to GoJet say. "Oh, well I am furloughed and it's the only place that's hiring." Waah, Waah, Waah. Cry me a river. So what you are saying is that you are better than another pilot, and are willing to put him on the street and support a bad cause because you are selfish? That's the way I look at it. I appreciate and understand furloughed guys (especially the major guys - although they know the game better than a lot of regional guys, and should KNOW BETTER). I know they need to get a job and get some income - but why go to GoJet when you are knowingly putting some other guys OUT of work. It's like you are stepping all over them to get a small paycheck. You'd be better off getting a local job, and you'd probably feel a lot better at the end of the day!
In this day and age, we have to support each other, and respect each other. I can't do that for GoJet pilots though, as to me, they have forgotten about the rest of their brothers and sisters at other carriers. Those people at TSA deserve some support, and they are good people. They have mine - and always will.
This is to Pause: I just can't believe you are on here trying to justify this. Most good GoJet guys just slink around and don't say anything because they KNOW they have no right. You are just acting arrogant and selfish, and are the poster boy for GoJet pilots. This is the way we feel GJ pilots are. As far as telling you face to face what I think - you bet your butt I do. I've had 3 GJ pilots try to ride with me, I've told 2 of them to take a hike, and explained why (and I'm the F/O, the captain just piped up and said "Yeah that!") and I was nice enough to let the third come with me as he was deathly ill, and I do have a heart sometimes. Although he was in the last row and was in the lav every 10 minutes - I actually felt bad for him, sort of.
Our alterego airline was shutdown, and those pilots have NOT been forgotten. I only know a few, and one of them I respect enough because he is brutally honest about why he did it, and does not hide it, and is genuinely sorry about it. Everytime I hear a limpturd callsign on the radio, my blood just boils a little bit because that should be a waterski call sign. There are good people at TSA that have been furloughed because of GoJet.
I don't care what these people going to GoJet say. "Oh, well I am furloughed and it's the only place that's hiring." Waah, Waah, Waah. Cry me a river. So what you are saying is that you are better than another pilot, and are willing to put him on the street and support a bad cause because you are selfish? That's the way I look at it. I appreciate and understand furloughed guys (especially the major guys - although they know the game better than a lot of regional guys, and should KNOW BETTER). I know they need to get a job and get some income - but why go to GoJet when you are knowingly putting some other guys OUT of work. It's like you are stepping all over them to get a small paycheck. You'd be better off getting a local job, and you'd probably feel a lot better at the end of the day!
In this day and age, we have to support each other, and respect each other. I can't do that for GoJet pilots though, as to me, they have forgotten about the rest of their brothers and sisters at other carriers. Those people at TSA deserve some support, and they are good people. They have mine - and always will.
This is to Pause: I just can't believe you are on here trying to justify this. Most good GoJet guys just slink around and don't say anything because they KNOW they have no right. You are just acting arrogant and selfish, and are the poster boy for GoJet pilots. This is the way we feel GJ pilots are. As far as telling you face to face what I think - you bet your butt I do. I've had 3 GJ pilots try to ride with me, I've told 2 of them to take a hike, and explained why (and I'm the F/O, the captain just piped up and said "Yeah that!") and I was nice enough to let the third come with me as he was deathly ill, and I do have a heart sometimes. Although he was in the last row and was in the lav every 10 minutes - I actually felt bad for him, sort of.
You said you're a Mesa pilot?
Thank you for putting me out of work - I was an Aloha pilot. You agreed to fly for poverty rates, under ridiculous or no work rules that you've become a joke in the industry, with no retirement package, or anything of the sort; your company came to Hawaii with an explicit intent to put me and 3000 other airline employees out of work; furthermore, you would violate jumpseat protocols to assist your company in repositioning crews to Hawaii on overbooked flights by taking a jumpseat on what should have been a positive space deadhead ticket all to put me out of work...
.... and you're trying to lecture people on "defending the profession"? Wow.. if I were to apply your rationale, every pilot in this foresaken industry should banish you from their jumpseat, and shun you around airport terminals because you brought everyone down with you, and furthermore, you contributed to a destruction of a 62 year airline that was a career job for over 300+ pilots including dozens of "LAMA" pilots, so we should all hang you from the yardarm.
Fortunately for you, those of us that have been around the block kinda know better... maybe you should open your eyes and learn a thing or two as well.
People that went to GoJet, especially last year, were predominately ATA/Airtran/UAL/Champion/Midwest furloughs. I don't know of any Aloha pilot that went to GoJet. Here's a newsflash for ya - ATA or Champion or Aloha pilots don't have an airline to go back to. Guess what... they go out of currency, they're careers are over, and flying is all they've done over a number of years.
Some of us were fortunate to find employment elsewhere, but a number of my fellow pilots weren't as fortunate. Why should 10,15,25 year veterans of ATA, Champion, Aloha give up their careers? What can you tell someone who's been in this industry possibly since before you were born to dissuade them from going to GoJet especially considering that the NMB decision has been rendered, ALPA is not appealing the decision, TSA ALPA has no picket line, GoJet is not flying anyone's struck work?
If there's ever a strike, or threat of flying struck work, or anything of the sort, and GoJet pilots cross any picket lines, you'll have the full support of every veteran pilot, and you're right - most will know better. But guess what... ALPA National has been encouraging all of us furloughees to apply at Compass, Mesaba, GoJet, Allegiant and any other place hiring. Somehow, I don't see any of the pilots hired at GoJet in the last year or so crossing any picket lines should any of them occur because chances are they truly know better.
Finally, professional airline pilots know that jumpseat is not a political weapon. If it becomes a political weapon, you might as well kiss that privilege goodbye because there's always gonna be someone with an axe to grind with either a pilot group, or another airline, etc. It only takes a couple of idiots to screw things up for your entire pilot group. Don't be that idiot.
Other than that, good luck, and let's hope you don't find yourself on the street with no airline to go back to.
02-27-2009, 08:16 PM
#249
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It is very frustrating to see these 20 year old FO's who went through zero to hero in 90 days through some pilot mill. For most, this is their first job. Industry is not what it used to be. I remember back then, we had to earn the right to work in airline by logging extensive number of hours. We striked when we needed and we got what we wanted.
DublinFlyer, you need a good medical check as your "blood boils". Please do not critisize others as you are a part of the problem.
DublinFlyer, you need a good medical check as your "blood boils". Please do not critisize others as you are a part of the problem.
02-27-2009, 08:16 PM
#250
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
You said you're a Mesa pilot?
Thank you for putting me out of work - I was an Aloha pilot. You agreed to fly for poverty rates, under ridiculous or no work rules that you've become a joke in the industry, with no retirement package, or anything of the sort; your company came to Hawaii with an explicit intent to put me and 3000 other airline employees out of work; furthermore, you would violate jumpseat protocols to assist your company in repositioning crews to Hawaii on overbooked flights by taking a jumpseat on what should have been a positive space deadhead ticket all to put me out of work...
.... and you're trying to lecture people on "defending the profession"? Wow.. if I were to apply your rationale, every pilot in this foresaken industry should banish you from their jumpseat, and shun you around airport terminals because you brought everyone down with you, and furthermore, you contributed to a destruction of a 62 year airline that was a career job for over 300+ pilots including dozens of "LAMA" pilots, so we should all hang you from the yardarm.
Fortunately for you, those of us that have been around the block kinda know better... maybe you should open your eyes and learn a thing or two as well.
People that went to GoJet, especially last year, were predominately ATA/Airtran/UAL/Champion/Midwest furloughs. I don't know of any Aloha pilot that went to GoJet. Here's a newsflash for ya - ATA or Champion or Aloha pilots don't have an airline to go back to. Guess what... they go out of currency, they're careers are over, and flying is all they've done over a number of years.
Some of us were fortunate to find employment elsewhere, but a number of my fellow pilots weren't as fortunate. Why should 10,15,25 year veterans of ATA, Champion, Aloha give up their careers? What can you tell someone who's been in this industry possibly since before you were born to dissuade them from going to GoJet especially considering that the NMB decision has been rendered, ALPA is not appealing the decision, TSA ALPA has no picket line, GoJet is not flying anyone's struck work?
If there's ever a strike, or threat of flying struck work, or anything of the sort, and GoJet pilots cross any picket lines, you'll have the full support of every veteran pilot, and you're right - most will know better. But guess what... ALPA National has been encouraging all of us furloughees to apply at Compass, Mesaba, GoJet, Allegiant and any other place hiring. Somehow, I don't see any of the pilots hired at GoJet in the last year or so crossing any picket lines should any of them occur because chances are they truly know better.
Finally, professional airline pilots know that jumpseat is not a political weapon. If it becomes a political weapon, you might as well kiss that privilege goodbye because there's always gonna be someone with an axe to grind with either a pilot group, or another airline, etc. It only takes a couple of idiots to screw things up for your entire pilot group. Don't be that idiot.
Other than that, good luck, and let's hope you don't find yourself on the street with no airline to go back to.
Thank you for putting me out of work - I was an Aloha pilot. You agreed to fly for poverty rates, under ridiculous or no work rules that you've become a joke in the industry, with no retirement package, or anything of the sort; your company came to Hawaii with an explicit intent to put me and 3000 other airline employees out of work; furthermore, you would violate jumpseat protocols to assist your company in repositioning crews to Hawaii on overbooked flights by taking a jumpseat on what should have been a positive space deadhead ticket all to put me out of work...
.... and you're trying to lecture people on "defending the profession"? Wow.. if I were to apply your rationale, every pilot in this foresaken industry should banish you from their jumpseat, and shun you around airport terminals because you brought everyone down with you, and furthermore, you contributed to a destruction of a 62 year airline that was a career job for over 300+ pilots including dozens of "LAMA" pilots, so we should all hang you from the yardarm.
Fortunately for you, those of us that have been around the block kinda know better... maybe you should open your eyes and learn a thing or two as well.
People that went to GoJet, especially last year, were predominately ATA/Airtran/UAL/Champion/Midwest furloughs. I don't know of any Aloha pilot that went to GoJet. Here's a newsflash for ya - ATA or Champion or Aloha pilots don't have an airline to go back to. Guess what... they go out of currency, they're careers are over, and flying is all they've done over a number of years.
Some of us were fortunate to find employment elsewhere, but a number of my fellow pilots weren't as fortunate. Why should 10,15,25 year veterans of ATA, Champion, Aloha give up their careers? What can you tell someone who's been in this industry possibly since before you were born to dissuade them from going to GoJet especially considering that the NMB decision has been rendered, ALPA is not appealing the decision, TSA ALPA has no picket line, GoJet is not flying anyone's struck work?
If there's ever a strike, or threat of flying struck work, or anything of the sort, and GoJet pilots cross any picket lines, you'll have the full support of every veteran pilot, and you're right - most will know better. But guess what... ALPA National has been encouraging all of us furloughees to apply at Compass, Mesaba, GoJet, Allegiant and any other place hiring. Somehow, I don't see any of the pilots hired at GoJet in the last year or so crossing any picket lines should any of them occur because chances are they truly know better.
Finally, professional airline pilots know that jumpseat is not a political weapon. If it becomes a political weapon, you might as well kiss that privilege goodbye because there's always gonna be someone with an axe to grind with either a pilot group, or another airline, etc. It only takes a couple of idiots to screw things up for your entire pilot group. Don't be that idiot.
Other than that, good luck, and let's hope you don't find yourself on the street with no airline to go back to.
However, you said that Mesa (Go!) came to Hawaii simply to take Aloha out of business (I agree 100%). If you read some of my older posts you'll see I've been thoroughly disgusted with what happened there and said early on Mesa engaged in criminal behavior......
Well, GoJet came into effect so the management wouldn't have to deal with the TSA's union... It's an alter-ego whose entire premise was to take the union out at one airline and fold the pilots into another (at the time union-less) airline. I don't know all the answers and don't know where all the furloughed ATA, AAI, Aloha, etc. pilots could have gone instead.
However, wouldn't you say that what Go! did in Honolulu is eerie similar to what GoJet did in St. Louis?
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