zoomiezombie

Never heard of the first guy. Asking again. Did these guys do good or bad for pilots? I still don't know why this came up at all. Had a PM with 80kts about the other guy (full names are okay sometimes? Still don't get this forum!) So what is wrong with a pilot who was an ALPA dude ten years ago and is now a CPO? What secrets could he possible have from a decade ago? Maybe he knows the price of oil is going up, no wait that's time travel...I guess pilots can only chose to apply for one other work job in their whole career and it has to be either ALPA or management? I assume this includes LCA, CPO and higher? As to the second guy I guess he wasn't bad as someone had to elect him to be President right?

I like the idea of a good pilot in the CPO, but not if he is going to rape me.

shiznit

DALPA MEC Sec./Treas. (KR) at an event in Feb. where he spoke to the group.

If I can find them, I'll dig up my notes and get you more info.

forgot to bid

Iphones can film stuff and easily post it on youtube, I hope it's all posted but if it's any really interesting that it's posted asap.

For example: This kind of pains me to say this because while it's my schools rival it does nothing for my school to have the rival in trouble if it comes to that. But someone took a photo at a restaurant of a college football player eating dinner at a Japanese steak house with a wealthy booster. As someone mentioned on the comment section - "20 year old black guys go to dinner and on fishing trip with 50 year old white guys all of the time in the south, nothing to see here move on."

Everything gets photographed now. Everything is videoed. It's good to see what many of us won't be able to see while we're bouncing around in jets tomorrow. If ALPA reps ask some zingers the DPA and it's lawyers can't answer, we should see it. If people want to act like the SEIU, let's see it.

Carl Spackler

Your previous post stated legality. Now you state that your source is the OPINION of a partisan ALPA type. That opinion is worthless in court without a legal statute to back it up. If ALPA thinks they can just keep the money from Delta pilots, they'll be sued again. The much larger issue is why ALPA would use this as handcuffs to stop the will of Delta pilots.

Carl

Carl Spackler

My prediction is that the ALPA guys will do just what they did at the first ATL event. Taking pictures and other disruptive activities. They'll attempt to clog up the Q and A session with self serving loaded questions designed only to show that DPA is not viable because they couldn't even handle a group of ALPA thugs.

ALPA cannot win this on their record and on the facts. Their only hope is to instill doubt through fear and confusion. Count on it.

Carl

scambo1

But Carl,
they already instil doubt, fear and confusion.

Carl Spackler

Guess it wasn't much of a prediction after all.

Carl

samballs

The DPA guy should just interrupt the ALPA guys question, and ask "will you give up more scope in the next contract"? You know a DALPA rep would not be able to answer that without lying. Or he'll say we won't budge above 100 seats, we don't want to fly those crappy planes anyways, we'll grow intl!!!

scambo1

FTB;

Isnt that really the crux of the issue? All the "seats at the table" dont matter unless you are going to use them to protect yourself.

In this regard, people say "what is DPA's track record?" I know what ALPAs is, so how can DPAs be worse.

sailingfun

DPA is really a simple issue. If you believe that they can in a matter of months put together the organization needed to go into section 6 negotiations and produce a better end product then Dalpa then you should by all means get your card on file and as mentioned in another thread support them with a healthy donation.
Keep in mind however that they need to be able to do the following and quickly.
1. Build a solid relationship with the NMB
2. Establish a political base in DC to apply pressure to the NMB if needed.
3. Put together a large war chest quickly.
4. Hire a strong supporting cast. (see number 3, takes money)
5. Establish a support structure for all other functions the union must handle outside of the contract.
6. Attract and keep the very best and brightest people we have in the pilot group.
7. Provide the means and structure for those people to work under in what will be almost certainly a full time job for the next 3 to 5 years.

From what I have seen so far DPA can't even accomplish there most basic promises in their original mission statement and time line. I don't hold out much hope they can do all of the above and in looking at their planned structure don't see how it can work. Certain jobs in the union for example are beyond full time positions. Part timers are not going to cut it in the coming contract. DPA throws a lot of nice things they are going to do out there but provides no method or real plan on how they are going to accomplish those things. Promises and results are very different things. I divided and unfocused pilot group will never produce strong results. In the end the only winner will be the company.