How many pilots showed up for each session in ATL today? Less than 25 each I bet. The issue is pilots do not want to show up.

They actually had less pilots show up than they have at an LEC meeting.

It will be interesting to read the AJC article tomorrow......

 

A temper tantrum by a former union committee member vs. a racial slur by a committee member, morally equivalent in your world? Really?

I guess if it doesn't offend you it's ok. Sweep it under the rug, don't question the vetting process for committee appointments, pretend it doesn't exist, minimize it, whatever it takes, but certainly don't confront it, hold him or the organization he represents accountable or even publicly rebuke him. IOW, be a complicit apologist for the indefensible and attack those who shine a light on racist comments. Glad to see what type of folks DPA has as supporters.

 

It's been a couple hours since this happened... really?

If it were an ALPA rep, we'd get a letter sometime in the next couple weeks in our email and then get a hard copy a month later. I'm obviously exaggerating a bit, but the point is that it just happened a couple hours ago. It's like any other political game, the moment one side makes a mistake the other is immediately jumping up and down and yelling... while most people on the sidelines are sitting there shaking their head at both.

 

First of all Taternuts, you wouldn't know a fact if you tripped over it. Second, it's clear what people like you and slowplay and alfaromeo and reroute and pineapple guy, etc...etc...are doing. Your intention is to throw a continuous stream of mud on the wall hoping to force those you fear into the defensive position of constantly answering your latest mud pie. This puts your opponent in the position of not being on offense, because he's always answering. Classic filthy politics 101. ALPA thuggery at its most basic.

I'm hoping that many of us will start posting on how we continue to move the ball across the goal line while ignoring the ALPA thugs from the peanut gallery. But I do hope you keep continuing to throw the mud...it helps us more than you could ever know.

By the way, your avatar of GreenBookRevenge really says it all. Absolutely pathetic.

Carl

 

A racial slur vs trying to bust your own in-house union by ignoring their contract...getting sued...and losing? How's that for a moral equivalency? None of you ALPA thugs can even use the word "moral" as far as I'm concerned. I've not heard one you do anything but defend ALPA in this matter.

A racial slur vs selling out the TWA pilots, then destroying emails, computers and servers to cover it up...getting sued...and losing? How's that for a moral equivalency. Just like the previous, I only hear rabid defense of ALPA for this dishonorable act.

Wake up...then wise up.

Carl

 

IF this actually occured by the person in question, and if the context was really meant to harm someone by inflicting racial pain, the DPA leadership will deal with this quickly. My problem with thugs like you and the other usual suspects is that you have no moral foundation upon which to complain about ANYTHING until you even ATTEMPT to clean up the swamp that is ALPA.

Clean your own diaper first, before you try to soil the DPA.

Carl

 

Where is that money headed btw? ALPA National?

Really? Would Lee Moak really take money away from the Delta pilots because ALPA was voted out? I don't think he would, would he?

Nobody cares to explain where that money goes, just that it doesn't go to the DPA. Sounds to me like the pilots money is being held as ransom from the pilots by the pilots union.

So I guess the primary concern is the welfare of ALPA, not Delta pilots?

What the heck was said?

And I hate to admit this, but I'd say in my lifetime and in two different airlines an easy 20% or more of the pilots I've flown with are outwardly racial and some probably racist.

I'd be careful about throwing rocks here but I'm very interested to see what was said.

And yes I could log in and try to find it, but I don't go to that website. To me it's like card check.

20ish pilots so they say.

That's not really good for ALPA though.

Because of 3,315 pilots signed up for the DPA but only 20 show up, then there is an extremely high likelihood that what you have is a growing number of pilots who want ALPA gone more than they want the DPA in.

 

Here's the thing and this isn't meant to be personal, but what's best for a senior pilots family may put a junior pilots young family out on the street.

Reminds me of all of the stuff said about Contract 96 and those who pushed the notion you vote for it or it will get a lot worse around here. As well as it reminds me back at Coex where the union ended the flow through but made sure the stopping point grandfathered all of them in.

I want the best pay for pilots, I want the strictest scope for the health of my airline. My family will benefit enough from that.

 

Whose throwing what Carl? Post after post after post after post you do nothing but bully and belittle people without ever dealing with the issues. I say your lawyer said not your SMRA. I didn't discredit you, nor did I attack you, I asked for clarity on the truth. You went postal as usual. You call me a thug. Ohhhhhhhhh. Here's big angry Carl, your in trouble now. He'll eat you alive! Why because your the thug. You are the biggest dpa bully. You define thuggery and you have a good 20 years of practice getting your cake and eating it. You couldn't give a measured response if you tried because you are nothing but an angry bitter man. This is your catharsis your refuge from the real world. You come on here after a nice camp breakfast and attempt to bury the issues under name calling and attempting to associate everyone who has a dissenting opinon as an ALPA Golem. Feel free to re-use that one, I picked it up in Prague while looking for other things that don't exist. Like your group.

 

Here is why we can't directly elect MEC Chairman.

What if that became a possibility? We could elect our LEC rep and the MEC Chairman. Basically you elected a leader kept in check by the LEC.

But what if Carl comes out and says, hey, I'm running?



And then he gets elected



And begins to set a new tone and clean house as he probably promised to do when he was running...



Some people can't afford that or anything like that to happen. Literally. And figuratively. Change has to be tempered, modified, reduced to simmer, eliminated and allowing pilots to vote for their MEC Chairman would allow change to happen way way too swiftly.