Congrats Eagle! Hope to see you there.

 

Pm sent.........

 

Congratulations to you as well, I see.

 

I am a FAA designated 121 check airman now (ability to conduct fed rides), is that classified as FAA Approved Program Examiner in Airline Apps. I emailed them, and received no response. FYI, I only have the Check Airman box ticked.

 

Hm. Perhaps it's not them but it's you? We work at the same place. I know the same people and they were all qualified enough to get the job and quite frankly almost all of them are good people and good pilots. Judging by all your posts about job fairs, degrees, volunteer work and what not it sounds like it's more of a personal thing vs the airlines are screwed up in their hiring practices... Perhaps you should tell them that in person at the next job fair eh? 😉

 

I hear you. Never said anyone was a bad person. I'm just old enough and have been doing this so long that I am just comparing it to old hiring practices. No doubt we produce a ton of good folks from our company. Most examples everyone was legit. My only point was that it used to be hard and fast that you needed 1000 TPIC whether you were Mother Theresa or not. :0 Now, that other stuff outweighs PIC and actual experience (again, most that left us for greener pastures had a ton).

Heck I remember JB was impossible to get on. You needed not only 1000 TPIC but they wanted 1000 TPIC in jets that weighed greater than 25,000 lbs! Now it's a "stepping stone" for a lot of pilots. Now we have Airbus Captains at Spirit at 25 years old and unhappy and treating that like a regional.

I'm just a guy with some observations is all. Maybe I'm talking too much on this forum lately. If so, thanks for pointing it out.

 

Until these companies match the legacies in pay/ work rules and qol, they'll continue to be stepping stones.

Depending upon age it make sense to jump ship to a legacy in A LOT of cases when you break out a spreadsheet and compare the numbers.

Money talks, Bull**** walks.

 

http://commons.erau.edu/cgi/viewcont...0&context=ntas

Some interesting comments. Shows why they're interested in college grads, GPA matters, 'all I've done is this' hurts you("grew comfortable" by JB). And how age, or high TT, isn't necessarily the positive guys think it is.

DL's civilian new hire TT averaged 7500. So guys with higher time are getting hired. But the industry is not just looking for the highest TT and TPIC.

 

Times have changed. JB was impossible to get on with because none of the Legacy's were hiring back then. In today's hiring environment the likes of JB (for some), Spirit and Frontier have turned into stepping stones. One economic down turn and all that could change once again. Look at XO, at one point if you didn't have a good internal rec you wouldn't have gotten the job. Now you just need to find the recruiters at a job fair and make a good impression.

Regardless, we all know that the metrics for hiring at the airlines have changed and so has the process. Why wouldn't an airline want to hire someone with an advanced degree if they meet all the other requirements? Gripe all you want but it's well obvious that the airlines now value more than 1000 TPIC and several types. The link Sliceback posted as well as this thread highlights this so either you adapt or you get left behind.

Either way, judging by all your previous posts maybe this is a good time to step away from keyboard and APC all together. We're all trying to move on to bigger and better but constantly bringing up former coworkers (lets be real, you've harped about them a ton in your other posts) who have already moved on to greener pastures won't help.

 

Interesting, but JetBlue is the most reputable carrier to add to that discussion; they just started their ab initio program. The rest are Allegiant and the regionals. So it makes me wonder how much of this allegedly scientific presentation is actually just anti-1500 hour propaganda. All that being said, they wouldn't have needed to address higher times >10,000 TT, so that is interesting, unless it was just to drive home the point that hours don't matter and they should be able to hire 250 hour commercial pilots.