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Old 11-20-2013, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by aa73 View Post
AA actually has many 757 Brazil flights that fly all night down but fly a day trip back. Recife, Salvador, Brasilia, and Asuncion. Leave around 2300 arrive 0800... Return leaves around 0900 and arrives around 1700. Pretty decent from what I'm told. Best of all, it's a 3 man operation on the flights down but the IRO deadheads back on the return.
This can be good for the FB, but it can also be very very bad (at least until Jan 1). The DHer can be put in coach for the 8 hour trip back to MIA.

That changes Jan 1, when business-or-better is required for Deep South (and other long flights).
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by satpak77 View Post
Pan Am was also a sure bet back in the day. I believe that there is opportunity to be had whenever chaos and fear exists. For that, AA qualifies.
Very true. AAL is a bet, and on the inside several declarations made as nothing short of gospel have never come to pass. To some degree, this is going to happen everywhere, but I'd hope to minimize it in my life if I was able to. Just in the past replies guys are talking about stuff like great schedules flying the JFK-LHR two day on the 777. You wouldnt base your entire career choice on this small tidbit of info but guess what, said sequence is gone for 2014…things change at an alarming rate. And when the middle east big three demand US flying in exchange for huge aircraft purchases, I might not be so high on the US big three international flying which I currently do. SW would be more insulated I would guess.

I do have a dog in this show, so I hope the new american thrives like never before. I am glad I went with the first and only carrier I interviewed with, the "what ifs" would have killed me by now.
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Old 11-20-2013, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr View Post
That's one of the VERY important points of the whole NB/domestic vs. WB comparisons going on here;

1) It may take a while to see that. As I mentioned, all the guys talking it up (especially at AA/UAL) with the amount of furloughs/stagnation WEREN'T born in that seat seniority.

2) For the guys that my be salivating over it now waiting to be hired, life events could change, domicile shifts, getting comfortable, whatever and the gleam in the eye of doing the WB/int'l may just wane/fall by the wayside.
Absolutely true. Before we all (me included) drifted badly off topic, the emphasis was on long term choices over a career, being defined as decades of flying, whereby the WB stuff was an eventual option, rather than 100% domestic NB for life.

A guy could find the niche he enjoys.
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Old 11-20-2013, 08:40 PM
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The Happiest Airlines For Holiday Travel - Forbes

There you go, you'll be happier at American.

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Old 11-26-2013, 06:43 AM
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Comparing the two (at the bottom)... What do the seniority improvement look like at each? Not necessarily a race to upgrade, but more for improved QOL considerations?
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Old 11-26-2013, 09:58 AM
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Comparing the two (at the bottom)... What do the seniority improvement look like at each? Not necessarily a race to upgrade, but more for improved QOL considerations?
Based strictly on Age 65 retirements, advancement - whether to QOL, larger airframes, or the left seat - would be dramatically faster at the new AA than at SWA. The SWA pilot group is significantly younger with a more "tepid" pace to retirements in the next decade or so.
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:12 AM
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Also don't forget that if hired at swa, you'll continue to be pushed to the bottom by AirTran pilots. How many are left to be integrated, several hundred? Ouch. Expect bottom of the seniority list for years. AA all the way, I say.
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Old 11-26-2013, 11:05 AM
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Also don't forget that if hired at swa, you'll continue to be pushed to the bottom by AirTran pilots. How many are left to be integrated, several hundred? Ouch. Expect bottom of the seniority list for years. AA all the way, I say.
I think there are actually about 1400 left to transition.
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Old 11-26-2013, 07:51 PM
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I think there are actually about 1400 left to transition.
Oh... Em.... Gee!!!! 1400!!! Ok so if you get hired now at swa, your seniority continues to go down by 1400. That's the exact opposite of AA, where your seniority would increase by at least 1500 in 3 years.

I believe in basketball they would call that a 2,900 point switch.
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Old 11-26-2013, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101 View Post
Oh... Em.... Gee!!!! 1400!!! Ok so if you get hired now at swa, your seniority continues to go down by 1400. That's the exact opposite of AA, where your seniority would increase by at least 1500 in 3 years.

I believe in basketball they would call that a 2,900 point switch.
Umm, the seniority list is already out and set in stone. All new hires will obviously go to the bottom of the list.
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