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Old 11-19-2013, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback View Post
The junior guy on the 777 in LAX has these options in LAX -

737 CA
S80 CA
777 FO
75/76 I FO
75/76 D FO
737 FO
S80 CA

The junior LAX 777 FO lineholder can also hold -

75/76 I CA
75/76 D CA


Guys bid the LAX 777 FO slot, even with it's restrictions, after considering their other options. Four distinctly different jobs - 777 FO, 75/76 I, 75/76 D, 737/S80.


As my SW buddy said "I'm still on the 737. What are you doing?" Standard tongue in cheek comment. He's well paid, happy, but realizes, from a flying perspective, that he's facing ground hog day for 25,000-30,000 hrs. We have guys that thrive on that type of flying and others that run from it.
What I was getting at, was that one can be on the WB for time off. But the option of switching from overnights in the orient to overnights in South America to overnights in Europe to overnights in HNL may not exist depending on the fleet/domicile without trading one option for another option. IOW, stay in the seat with limited intl overnights but lots of time off. Or stay in the seat, commute to a different domicile with better overnights but less time off due to commuting. See what I saying?

Sure, the guy has the option to bid down to NB CA for options, then has to work more. But again, the point was about WB options.
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Old 11-19-2013, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs View Post
^ yeah but what are you 16?, lol. An airplane is an airplane. We get paid to go from city to city in it. SWA pilots get paid well doing just that. I would shy away from Southwest because of the stagnation not because they "only fly 737s". Granted I have only flown a bunch of GA, a SAAB, RJ and an Airbus but you pull back and it goes up,you push forward it goes down, lol. I dunno, maybe it's just me but flying is flying
"Granted I have only flown a bunch of GA, a SAAB, RJ and an Airbus..."

It is just you Joey, because you don't have any experience doing anything else... Are you sure you're not 16?

The guys who DO have experience, the thousands who have already done what you do, plus a whole lot more, in many different types of airplanes, around the world, for many years, have chosen, and with a few exceptions they choose to fly big airplanes on long trips, around the world, usually for the two reasons I mentioned above:

More money, More time off.
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Old 11-19-2013, 09:22 AM
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Eggzactly... more money, more time off! Also, did I mention the 737 cockpit is a torture chamber compared to any wide-body?
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Old 11-19-2013, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo View Post
"Granted I have only flown a bunch of GA, a SAAB, RJ and an Airbus..."

It is just you Joey, because you don't have any experience doing anything else... Are you sure you're not 16?

The guys who DO have experience, the thousands who have already done what you do, plus a whole lot more, in many different types of airplanes, around the world, for many years, have chosen, and with a few exceptions they choose to fly big airplanes on long trips, around the world, usually for the two reasons I mentioned above:

More money, More time off.
Meh, we have different opinions, lets just leave it at that.

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Old 11-19-2013, 09:54 AM
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Sure thing Joey, but how can you have a valid opinion about something you've never done, like flying international long haul flights? What if all you think you know about it turns out to be wrong?
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by LivingTheDream View Post
Eggzactly... more money, more time off! Also, did I mention the 737 cockpit is a torture chamber compared to any wide-body?
And, for that matter, compared to its primary narrow-body competitor, the A320 family. I've been in both, and the Airbus flight deck is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Boeing as far as ergonomics are concerned.

I love an airplane that doesn't force me to be a contortionist every time I have to leave my chair.
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by LivingTheDream View Post
Eggzactly... more money, more time off! Also, did I mention the 737 cockpit is a torture chamber compared to any wide-body?
I heard the -900 is a different bird. Nice interior for the pax, and the cockpit is much improved. Anybody have any first hand knowledge?


I recently flew with someone that had DH'd on it and she said it was surprisingly nice.
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by VenetianFryCook View Post
And, for that matter, compared to its primary narrow-body competitor, the A320 family. I've been in both, and the Airbus flight deck is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Boeing as far as ergonomics are concerned.

I love an airplane that doesn't force me to be a contortionist every time I have to leave my chair.
I love an airplane that I actually have more than a vote as to it's position in the space time continuum.

It's a Boeing, or....

Yoga helps though.
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare View Post
I heard the -900 is a different bird. Nice interior for the pax, and the cockpit is much improved. Anybody have any first hand knowledge?


I recently flew with someone that had DH'd on it and she said it was surprisingly nice.
New cabin, same awful cockpit.
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:25 AM
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I'll stick up for Joey here... He likes what he does. Day turns, multi leg, whatever, in a narrow body with some intl flying to Caribbean and Central America. If he doesn't get bored from that in 30 years that means he chose wisely.

Others have a desire to try out new things. But let's get to the bottom line. Why is wide body flying so senior? Pay & QOL. Most days off, least amount of work. Period. If I could do that in a 737 or a320, guess what, I'd bid narrow body. Trust me on this, I fly cargo in a 747-400 and have had to fly 4 legs in one day in it, but I had a 2nd capt to do the other half of the work while I slept. It sucks no doubt, but what we're getting at is at AA you'll be sleeping in your bed more, and risking your life a lot less.
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