Your old way and new way is a different situation. Your old way is a flight leaving at 2pm and home by 10pm. This would either be thrown in open time and picked up by someone on their days off, or it would be assigned to a reserve (short or long, depending on their status and when it's assigned). Your new way of a 10pm flight is irrelevant to the flight in question because it departs at 2pm. I highly doubt Spirit will delay that flight 10 hrs because you need your 10 hrs rest. They will find a reserve to do it or they will throw it in open time and let someone pick it up.

 

What if there are no reserves? Spirit has delayed flights that long in the past. My point is, we as pilots should be able to decide if we are fit to fly, not the government.

 

I understand the point of giving 10 hours of rest prior to a "forced" assignment that you weren't expecting. However, if a company wants to call you (they get one call that isn't considered interrupting rest) and let you know there is a trip available to pick up that departs in 3 hours, I don't see the issue. Instead of forcing it upon you, they offer, you accept, everyone's happy.

There really is no change from the companies perspective. If you didn't want to do a JA you didn't answer your phone. Now, you do answer your phone and say, "give me 10hrs."...NEXT

 

This wasn't decided by the MEC or scheduling cmte. We received this interpretation from both the FAA and ALPA legal. The FAA's interpretation can be found in the federal register.

 

Not necessarily...

 

I wonder if text messages are exempt from this?

FO Flyby- can u plz pik up a turn 2 EWR? Thx

 

I'm not sure how Spirit works, but at DAL we have the option of going into the computer and putting in a white slip (pickup flying at straight pay) or green slip (picking up time at premium pay). If you have already put in said requests and scheduling calls you with flying to match your requests, then that is considered volunteering to fly, you are self-affirming rest, not a problem.

If however, scheduling is desperate for bodies and is "reaching out and touching someone" and gets hold of you--EVEN THOUGH you have not put in any request to pick up flying--that is considered an "inverse assignment" (IA). I assume it is the same as your junior man. In the case of an IA, you MUST get ten hours rest from that call, no matter if you haven't drunk alcohol in your life and you just woke from 12 hours asleep and you live five minutes from the airport.

 

We have a similar system. Guys that want to fly on days off can call and place themselves on the standing available list. This list of guys is supposed to be called first in the case of an open trip with no reserve coverage. Anyone on this list would be considered to have requested the contact, and as such would not require a subsequent 10 hour rest period.

 

Then why the fuss? Does this not pay the same as JM?

 

Incorrect interpretation to the clarification!

This is what the FAA's clarification states:

Question:

"ALPA asked whether an air carrier could contact a flightcrew member when the flightcrew member is off duty but not on a rest period to give a flight assignment. If so, ALPA questioned whether the carrier must provide at least 10 hours of rest prior to the flight assignment. ALPA also asked whether a flightcrew member could voluntarily elect to ‘‘pick up a trip’’ from open time if he or she will have the requisite rest prior to the report time for that trip."

The way the FAA answered (not exactly answering what ALPA asked, but nevertheless, the answer):

"Turning to ALPA’s other question, if a flightcrew member is not on a rest period, the certificate holder may contact the flightcrew member to schedule a flight assignment. However, pursuant to § 117.25(b) and (e), the certificate holder would then need to provide that flightcrew member with the requisite rest period prior to beginning the FDP. The certificate holder would also have to follow the FDP notification requirements of longcall reserve, as this type of contact and FDP assignment would qualify as longcall reserve pursuant to the definition of that term in § 117.3"

"Rest period: means a continuous period determined prospectively during which the crewmember is free from all restraint by the certificate holder, including freedom from present responsibility for work should the occasion arise."

A DAY OFF is a REST PERIOD, therefore what the SPA Scheduling Committee stated is FALSE!

If I'm on a six day of stretch of days off and get solicited to be JA'ed for MCO turn on day 3 of my days off (a rest period, according to the FAA's definition), there is absolutely no way I need 10 hours of additional rest after the solicitation call! All I need is the required rest after the end of my last FDP. The FAA's clarification does NOT apply for a call during a rest period as explained above! The key statement on the answer is "if a flightcrew member is not on a rest period (...)"

This is pure logic. What are you guys smoking?!

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/pol_adjudication/agc200/Part117/