This should have been beaten in to your thick skulls on Day 1 of AirlinePilot 101 class: NEVER EVER EVER ANSWER CALLS from the company!

 

I see. Ok, this clears up a lot. Thanks!

 

"Turning to ALPA’s other question, if a flightcrew member is not on a rest period, the certificate holder may contact the flightcrew member to schedule a flight assignment. However, pursuant to § 117.25(b) and (e), the certificate holder would then need to provide that flightcrew member with the requisite rest period prior to beginning the FDP. The certificate holder would also have to follow the FDP notification requirements of longcall reserve, as this type of contact and FDP assignment would qualify as longcall reserve pursuant to the definition of that term in § 117.3"


So according to the FAA a JA would be considered a long call reserve assignment thus requiring 10 hours of rest between the call and start of FDP.

 

Looks like you've got it all figured out, good for you. FYI, no one on YOUR scheduling cmte gives a flying rats arse what you do. You have been provided with all the facts and interpretations. Now, your a big boy, make your own decisions.

 

If a contact occurred when the flightcrew member is not on a rest period, it would seems so. But on during a rest period, no. The FAA does not define what a "day off" is. Only rest period....a day off is therefore a rest period.

"Rest period: means a continuous period determined prospectively during which the crewmember is free from all restraint by the certificate holder, including freedom from present responsibility for work should the occasion arise."

 

Can't you just feel the love?

 

Yes I will. I went to college and grad school so I can read a little bit of legalize. I don't need a Scheduling Committee to misinterpret logical statements. Sending out FALSE information to our pilot group is against the By-laws and Code of Ethics. If you have ALPA Legal's (National's) interpretation, go ahead and send THAT out... and even so, a union interpretation means absolutely nothing. What counts is what the regulation says, and the FAA's clarification is pretty clear. Black and white on the Code of Federal Regulations and Federal Register. you and your buddies haven't been able to shut down JA's and MUP's...

 

I'm not mad. You would know that if you had bothered to read my last post. Like I said, if you think you have it all figured out, and all the folks at Delta and other legacies, and ALPA legal have it wrong, then I guess you are one smart ******.

Oh, by the way, ALPA legal wrote that portion of the update...but you're so damn smart you knew that already too

 

https://www.federalregister.gov/arti...t-requirements

vi. Assigning an FDP

A4A and Alaska Air asked whether a rest period that is longer than the regulatory minimum could be terminated early if the resulting rest satisfied the minimum regulatory requirements. ALPA asked whether an air carrier could contact a flightcrew member when the flightcrew member is off duty but not on a rest period to give a flight assignment. If so, ALPA questioned whether the carrier must provide at least 10 hours of rest prior to the flight assignment. ALPA also asked whether a flightcrew member could voluntarily elect to “pick up a trip” from open time if he or she will have the requisite rest prior to the report time for that trip.

As discussed above, the start of a previously-scheduled FDP can only be changed by utilizing the reserve provisions of § 117.21. As such, a certificate holder that wishes to bump up the time of a previously-scheduled FDP would have to provide the flightcrew member with the pertinent long-call-reserve notice of the FDP change. Alternatively, if a certificate holder anticipates that it may need to call in a flightcrew member for an FDP, then that certificate holder should provide the flightcrew member with the required 10-hour rest period and then place the flightcrew member on short-call reserve.

These circumstances change if a flightcrew member decides, on his/her own initiative, to pick up a trip from open time, as the regulations do not prohibit this practice as long as the flightcrew member has received the required rest. However, the FAA cautions flightcrew members that § 117.5(a) requires a flightcrew member to “report for any flight duty period rested and prepared to perform his or her assigned duties.” The preamble to the final rule explains that this provision was added to the regulations to, among other things, “discourage flightcrew-member practices such as picking up extra hours.” [44] Thus, while a flightcrew member is free to voluntarily pick up extra flight hours from open time, the flightcrew member may be in violation of § 117.5(a) if this activity results in the flightcrew member becoming unduly fatigued.

Turning to ALPA's other question, if a flightcrew member is not on a rest period, the certificate holder may contact the flightcrew member to schedule a flight assignment. [45] However, pursuant to § 117.25(b) and (e), the certificate holder would then need to provide that flightcrew member with the requisite rest period prior to beginning the FDP. The certificate holder would also have to follow the FDP notification requirements of long-call reserve, as this type of contact and FDP assignment would qualify as long-call reserve pursuant to the definition of that term in § 117.3.

 

ALPA's clarification...

Q-32. A flightcrew member is on days off. Can the company call him for a flight assignment?

A-32. Yes. If the flightcrew member answers the call, the
company can assign him to flight duty. However, the
Company must give the flightcrew the required 10-hour
rest period and then place the crewmember on short call
reserve.


Nothing here says 10 hours rest from the time of the call to the time of the assignment.

Example:

I arrived Saturday night 23:00 local, and at 00:00 on Sunday I'm officially on a day off.... I then get called 11:00am Sunday for a JA. Well, I've been on rest for 12 hours. The minimum required rest since my last FDP has been provided (10 hours)... They then place me on a "11:00am RAP" for my future FDP determination and out to fly I go. They obviously cannot JA me for a trip on the day off if they did not give me the required prior 10 hour rest.

Again, where does it say that one needs 10 hours from the time of the solicitation call to the assignment on a day off?