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Old 04-01-2008, 11:52 AM   #61  
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The Wall Street Journal reported that executives at Northwest Airlines (NYSE: NWA) are still pushing for a merger with peer Delta (NYSE: DAL), even if it means their pilots were to lose their seniority
It wouldn't technically be a loss of seniority. Its just that they may not all be included initially. That's the fragmentation aspect. Delta doesn't want the DC-9s. The "transferred" seniority list would reflect that. Very similar to the PanAm transaction in '91.

Here we go again with Duke/Spellacy.
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So, what happens to the DC9 drivers? Comrpassinnaclewest RJ's?
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It may be "wrong", but when has that ever stopped management.
The stars are in alignment. Its time to cash out.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...z/5663693.html

http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2008/02/0...=WSJBlogprint/

We all know how accurate the media has been before. You guys also seem to forget that the -88 isn't fuel efficient either(just look at AA), which is why Delta is parking some. NWA also has 717's available to them, although that is one of the last things I want to see.

And all of us talk like we know what the agreement contained, "I talked to my MEC rep and he said...", "I know a guy who was negotiating it", but the bottom line is that no one knows what went on in that room but the people that were in it. And no one who was in that room is going to tell anyone about what was negotiated. Let's stop bickering on what "broke" the deal and focus on a way we can benefit from it.

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So, what happens to the DC9 drivers? Comrpassinnaclewest RJ's?
How clever !! You DAL newbs have proven to be the super koolaid drinkers of the majors, congrats. I know its hard for you guys to understand scope since yours pretty much sucks and its also funny how you guys convieniently overlook that issue when in these. "discussions".
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Apr 1, 2008 (JAGfn.com via COMTEX News Network) -- (NMA) (DAL) Rumor that Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) will make a bid for NORTHWEST AIRLS CORP COM (NWA). Bid thought to be in the $14 range.
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Apr 1, 2008 (JAGfn.com via COMTEX News Network) -- (NMA) (DAL) Rumor that Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) will make a bid for NORTHWEST AIRLS CORP COM (NWA). Bid thought to be in the $14 range.
APRIL FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not sure, just another rumor....
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Not sure, just another rumor....
Hell Yes, it's April 1st. Probably someone trying to get a rise out of all the NWA and DAL pilots.
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You do not know my scope position. I'm very concerned that the DAL MEC and DAL Management will end up running the show and IMHO, their management of scope has been negligent through the tenures of Giambusso, Malone and now Moak. They just don't get it and I'm not sure they even care. They only see Boeings.

I have written my Reps repeatedly on the subject and they have advised that Section 1 of the new PWA was to be a paste job. When I pointed out that the language was contradictory and had to be resolved, the subject changed to how smart the guys on the committee were - IMHO, they had no answer.

ALPA seems to be spinning the political machine to say scope does not matter because fuel prices make the RJ's less efficient on a CASM basis. If you have yours or our EF&A analysis of the merger, you should see the numbers that indicate that ALPA is fully aware that the CASM on the DC9 is much worse than a CRJ200 and the CRJ700 even gives the MD88 a run for its money. These airplanes are a threat and unfortunately no one seems to be on top of the situation.

Even more, there is a pretty solid rumor that Comair is sold, contingent on a merger, with an award for more flying. In other words, Delta can get cash now for selling out some more flying, like they did for $425,000,000.00 on the sale of ASA to SkyWest. Delta would be plenty happy to get another half a billion of liquidity, get someone else to buy "obsolete" CRJ's and park DC9s and some 88's. You and I will not see that flying again until a next gen GTF 100 to 150 seat mini 787 hits the market.

Events have moved past the previous plan for the DC9's. We are now hearing fuel has rendered these jets uneconomical. Delta had to go back and re-work the plan. The rumor on this side and obliquely showing up in the press is that NWA management may have approached this deal without the DC9's, generating questions about the fragmentation language in the NWA contract. That should alarm you - it scares me and I'm on the other side of the fence.

You think I'm a cooaid drinker and I admit the stuff they serve at Delta is tasty. But for you and me, I would be much more comfortable if we could get a straight answer out of our Reps about where Section 1 was headed. Your and my jobs probably hang in the balance.

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You do not know my scope position. I'm very concerned that the DAL MEC and DAL Management will end up running the show and IMHO, their management of scope has been negligent through the tenures of Giambusso, Malone and now Moak. They just don't get it and I'm not sure they even care. They only see Boeings.

I have written my Reps repeatedly on the subject and they have advised that Section 1 of the new PWA was to be a paste job. When I pointed out that the language was contradictory and had to be resolved, the subject changed to how smart the guys on the committee were - IMHO, they had no answer.

ALPA seems to be spinning the political machine to say scope does not matter because fuel prices make the RJ's less efficient on a CASM basis. If you have yours or our EF&A analysis of the merger, you should see the numbers that indicate that ALPA is fully aware that the CASM on the DC9 is much worse than a CRJ200 and the CRJ700 even gives the MD88 a run for its money. These airplanes are a threat and unfortunately no one seems to be on top of the situation.

Events have moved past the previous plan for the DC9's. We are now hearing fuel has rendered these jets uneconomical. Delta had to go back and re-work the plan. The rumor on this side and obliquely showing up in the press is that NWA management may have approached this deal without the DC9's, generating questions about the fragmentation language in the NWA contract. That should alarm you - it scares me and I'm on the other side of the fence.

You think I'm a cooaid drinker and I admit the stuff they serve at Delta is tasty. But for you and me, I would be much more comfortable if we could get a straight answer out of our Reps about where Section 1 was headed. Your and my jobs probably hang in the balance.

Please show me any kind of company/media/ALPA publications that say NWA approached a deal w/o the DC9s. And if the CRJ200 is such a serious threat then why is DAL looking to sell COMAIR while shaving down their flying? Where do you guys get this stuff?

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