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Old 09-16-2020 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mjpilot
Base and seat secure for how long? 3 month? What is that? Do you even grasp how idiotic you sound?

Company scare tactics - VOTE NO!!!

Worst case scenario, you'll get furloughed, free from paying bonuses back, plus mostly make more on unemployment benefits.

If this passes, furloughs WILL come in 2021, mark my words.
I’m not sure who sounds like the idiot.

You are secure for 3 months with the MOU.

Furloughs are not certain to come.

You won’t make more in unemployment when you factor in benefits and health insurance.

No MOU the company WILL furlough. Don’t know the depth but it will.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by klondike
Whether or not there is a “second wave” here in the United States is going to depend on who wins the election.

If JB wins, there will be no second wave- Everything back to normal.

If Bad Orange Guy wins, there will- one way or another- be a “crushing” second wave.

Why, according to you, does it take “weeks” for new cases to show up when the incubation period of the China Virus is 2 to 10 days?
I was trying to keep politics out if it..but I’m so glad someone finally said it! You win the internet today.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by klondike
Whether or not there is a “second wave” here in the United States is going to depend on who wins the election.

If JB wins, there will be no second wave- Everything back to normal.

If Bad Orange Guy wins, there will- one way or another- be a “crushing” second wave.

Why, according to you, does it take “weeks” for new cases to show up when the incubation period of the China Virus is 2 to 10 days?

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=infections-testing&tab=trend&test=infections

Confirmed infections:
33000 in April 23
17600 June 8
78000 July 16
35000 August 30

Call it what you want, but to me, that's a second wave right there.

Is COVID under control in the USA? I'll let you decide with 34760 new cases as of today only.

3rd, behind India and Brazil.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
I’m not sure who sounds like the idiot.

You are secure for 3 months with the MOU.

Furloughs are not certain to come.

You won’t make more in unemployment when you factor in benefits and health insurance.

No MOU the company WILL furlough. Don’t know the depth but it will.
These guys don’t seem to care about the benefits..insurance and 401k included..they only think about getting out of their bonuses. That tells us all we need to know really...fortunately..many of them can’t even vote yet.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
I’m not sure who sounds like the idiot.

You are secure for 3 months with the MOU.

Furloughs are not certain to come.

You won’t make more in unemployment when you factor in benefits and health insurance.

No MOU the company WILL furlough. Don’t know the depth but it will.

We are all basing this "current environment" percentage against the absolute best year in aviation. I would like to see what the "current environment" flying percentage stacked against any 10 year consecutive window looks like. I'd use that for data for any "sky is falling" argument.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
I’m not sure who sounds like the idiot.

You are secure for 3 months with the MOU.

Furloughs are not certain to come.

You won’t make more in unemployment when you factor in benefits and health insurance.

No MOU the company WILL furlough. Don’t know the depth but it will.
Benefits? What benefits? Health insurance? I'm pretty sure you can purchase open market health care for the same amount Mesa is deducting from your pay check. Then there is Cobra.
You won't have to pay for the Union, I'll call that Win-Win!

What else you have? First, you said unemployment benefits are lower than 68 hours credit on FO pay. Then you said one has to search for work constantly, being a hassle. You believe covid will cease to exist come January!

Rainbows and sunshine.

Company wins anyways you turn and twist it, right?

Yeah right. Company even wins when they fill for bankruptcy, that's what you think.

And you're WRONG on every of those arguments.
Spreading misleading information, trying to scare every pilot @ Mesa. For your own personal gain?


Yeah right.



Company won't furlough if enough people ask for Vol LOAs.

Company won't furlough if flying remains constant.

Company will furlough if people aren't coming back flying due to 2nd waves, or over 30000 new cases daily, whatever you want to call it.

2nd waves in Europe, Asia, South America, combined with flu season. Very little international flying, closed borders, 14 days quarantine.

You be the judge.

Pangolin, will you dig into your savings and purchase Mesa stock if this passes?

Was $9.00 at the beginning of the year. $3.38 as of today.

According to you, if this passes, there will be rainbows and sunshine. Everybody wins, company, pilots, and share holders.

For sure, the company doesn't lose.


Why don't you put your money where your words are. Put in a trade for 50 Grand tomorrow. You have to hold it for a year not to pay short term capital gain taxes.

You are that confident, just do it.

Stock will jump right back to 9 bucks, that's a nice gain.

If it doesn't work out, your losses can be used to lower future taxes.

Win Win, right?

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Old 09-16-2020 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mjpilot
Company won't furlough if enough people ask for Vol LOAs.

Company won't furlough if flying remains constant.

Company will furlough if people aren't coming back flying due to 2nd waves, or over 30000 new cases daily, whatever you want to call it.

2nd waves in Europe, Asia, South America, combined with flu season. Very little international flying, closed borders, 14 days quarantine.

You be the judge.

Pangolin, will you dig into your savings and purchase Mesa stock if this passes?

Was $9.00 at the beginning of the year. $3.38 as of today.

According to you, if this passes, there will be rainbows and sunshine. Everybody wins, company, pilots, and share holders.

For sure, the company doesn't lose.


Why don't you put your money where your words are. Put in a trade for 50 Grand tomorrow. You have to hold it for a year not to pay short term capital gain taxes.

You are that confident, just do it.

Stock will jump right back to 9 bucks, that's a nice gain.

If it doesn't work out, your losses can be used to lower future taxes.

Win Win, right?
What’s this have to do with the MOU. I am flattered by the attention but this isn’t about me.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mjpilot
Company won't furlough if enough people ask for Vol LOAs.

Company won't furlough if flying remains constant.

Company will furlough if people aren't coming back flying due to 2nd waves, or over 30000 new cases daily, whatever you want to call it.

2nd waves in Europe, Asia, South America, combined with flu season. Very little international flying, closed borders, 14 days quarantine.

You be the judge.

Pangolin, will you dig into your savings and purchase Mesa stock if this passes?

Was $9.00 at the beginning of the year. $3.38 as of today.

According to you, if this passes, there will be rainbows and sunshine. Everybody wins, company, pilots, and share holders.

For sure, the company doesn't lose.


Why don't you put your money where your words are. Put in a trade for 50 Grand tomorrow. You have to hold it for a year not to pay short term capital gain taxes.

You are that confident, just do it.

Stock will jump right back to 9 bucks, that's a nice gain.

If it doesn't work out, your losses can be used to lower future taxes.

Win Win, right?
You know about this I assume?

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/04/06/2012147/0/en/Mesa-Air-Group-Inc-Sued-for-Securities-Fraud-Block-Leviton-LLP-Encourages-Shareholders-to-Contact-the-Firm.html

You are really worried about Covid it seems. You like numbers. Google the current covid deaths in the US. Google the population of the US. Not so scary now? Now look up the unemployment number in the US. For every 1 Covid death..approximately 180 people have lost their jobs. Worth it? Guess it depends if you ask the family of the one who died..or the families of the 180 people who now aren’t working because of that 1. I bet if you ask the most likely elderly..and at minimum already ill person dying..they’d probably tell you to go live your life.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 02:39 PM
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You know about this I assume?

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/04/06/2012147/0/en/Mesa-Air-Group-Inc-Sued-for-Securities-Fraud-Block-Leviton-LLP-Encourages-Shareholders-to-Contact-the-Firm.html

You are really worried about Covid it seems. You like numbers. Google the current covid deaths in the US. Google the population of the US. Not so scary now? Now look up the unemployment number in the US. For every 1 Covid death..approximately 180 people have lost their jobs. Worth it? Guess it depends if you ask the family of the one who died..or the families of the 180 people who now aren’t working because of that 1. I bet if you ask the most likely elderly..and at minimum already ill person dying..they’d probably tell you to go live your life.

I'm not the one scared of COVID, otherwise I'll would have gotten Vol LOA and stayed in the basement like Biden did LOL.

The UK calls 4000 new cases a second wave.
USA has 5 times the population of the UK.

Yet the USA has 35'000 cases just as of right now, today?

That's over 9 times higher right here. You be the judge.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

That's what people see, that's what the news outlet display, that's what's scaring people.

You've got to be kidding me with your logic.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mjpilot
I'm not the one scared of COVID, otherwise I'll would have gotten Vol LOA and stayed in the basement like Biden did LOL.

The UK calls 4000 new cases a second wave.
USA has 5 times the population of the UK.

Yet the USA has 35'000 cases just as of right now, today?

That's over 9 times higher right here. You be the judge.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

That's what people see, that's what the news outlet display, that's what's scaring people.

You've got to be kidding me with your logic.
That is what people see..on CNN. If they turn off their tv and go outside and don’t die..poof..time to take an airplane ride!
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