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Old 09-16-2020, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin View Post
What’s this have to do with the MOU. I am flattered by the attention but this isn’t about me.
You are saying the company wins if this is voted in or not.

You believe everything will be fine come January if this is voted in.

No furloughs now, no furloughs next year. No downgrades. Everybody is happy.

Those are your beliefs and arguments to convince the pilot group to vote this in.

In that case, Mesa stock has nowhere but to go up!

Put some of your savings where your words are and purchase Mesa stock.

Show us the Money!

I'm just helping you to become a millionaire, based on your beliefs.

I argue that your beliefs are very wrong, and you will lose most of that money invested.
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Old 09-16-2020, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Aeronaut55 View Post
That is what people see..on CNN. If they turn off their tv and go outside and don’t die..poof..time to take an airplane ride!
Well Aeronaut, that's theoretically right.

It ain't that simple though. I wish it was.

There are countries on lock down, borders closed. I'm not sure if you know this, but traveling to Europe as a tourist isn't possible to you, unless you have some European passport.

I like to travel to Colombia or Thailand on my upcoming vacation. Guess what, that's not possible, as a tourist.

As long as this continues, most international travel will be non existent.
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Old 09-16-2020, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mjpilot View Post
Well Aeronaut, that's theoretically right.

It ain't that simple though. I wish it was.

There are countries on lock down, borders closed. I'm not sure if you know this, but traveling to Europe as a tourist isn't possible to you, unless you have some European passport.

I like to travel to Colombia or Thailand on my upcoming vacation. Guess what, that's not possible, as a tourist.

As long as this continues, most international travel will be non existent.
I agree..not arguing that..we will all vote based on our own beliefs and desires..I’ve been enjoying being on VLOA..traveling around the US with the travel benefits..and I’d like to keep doing that..if I have to go back to work because everyone under me got furloughed..that’s not desirable..and the people I know directly..are those that would be furloughed..and they need their jobs..so I’m voting for them too.. we’ll see how it all plays out. Should know more after the election like you said...
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Old 09-16-2020, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mjpilot View Post
You are saying the company wins if this is voted in or not.

You believe everything will be fine come January if this is voted in.

No furloughs now, no furloughs next year. No downgrades. Everybody is happy.

Those are your beliefs and arguments to convince the pilot group to vote this in.

In that case, Mesa stock has nowhere but to go up!

Put some of your savings where your words are and purchase Mesa stock.

Show us the Money!

I'm just helping you to become a millionaire, based on your beliefs.

I argue that your beliefs are very wrong, and you will lose most of that money invested.

I said nothing about January. You don’t get to say what I believe. You are putting words in my mouth. January is a new game. I’m only playing this one right now.
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Old 09-16-2020, 03:48 PM
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After listening to that call I am a HELL NO now!!!

Everything about that call just convinced me to dig in my heels and tell the company to go f¥€|< themselves. Even the unions tone was that they dont believe the number. Will there be furloughs yes, but not even close to 490. Realistically 200-250...
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Old 09-16-2020, 03:52 PM
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After listening to that call I am a HELL NO now!!!

Everything about that call just convinced me to dig in my heels and tell the company to go f¥€|< themselves. Even the unions tone was that they dont believe the number. Will there be furloughs yes, but not even close to 490. Realistically 200-250...
250 firmly in downgrade territory for most. Wasn’t able to attend. Recording?
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Old 09-16-2020, 04:14 PM
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250 firmly in downgrade territory for most. Wasn’t able to attend. Recording?
Sure. And it sucks to furlough anyone but its not enough to go down this path.
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Old 09-16-2020, 04:24 PM
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Sure. And it sucks to furlough anyone but its not enough to go down this path.
250 unemployed and 125 downgraded pilots (and the entire SDF base) May disagree with you. When I get some time I’ll put some numbers together for 250 vs 490.
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Old 09-16-2020, 04:29 PM
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If 250 furloughed and 125 down grades here’s the impact:

most jr pilot 1044 - 12/14/18 hire date
most jr ca: 624 - 6/30/17 hire date.
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Old 09-16-2020, 05:09 PM
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After listening to that call I am a HELL NO now!!!

Everything about that call just convinced me to dig in my heels and tell the company to go f¥€|< themselves. Even the unions tone was that they dont believe the number. Will there be furloughs yes, but not even close to 490. Realistically 200-250...
Did I understand correctly that furlough notices would start to go out to make the October 1st date even though the vote is not in yet?
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