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Old 10-02-2020 | 01:28 PM
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It’s gonna be hard to find motors for the 200’s. They’re expensive and not abundant. The STC for the 700/900 would take too long as well. The 175’s are still on track to be delivered. DHL side is doing well and paying well from what I’ve heard. I’m sure if Mesa proves themself reliable we will be awarded more 73’s. Possibly however take it with a grain of salt as it’s just a long running rumor, 767’s. I wouldn’t be surprised if JO eventually moves more into cargos operations and either remain or shrink the passenger side. The profit margins are much higher with freight.

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Old 10-02-2020 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BigZ
700 and 900 ride nose down on the ground, makes loading harder. 200 sits flat
Are they OO 200s? That would make a big difference if DHL needs a package to ride jumpseat.
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Old 10-02-2020 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Avgeek7248
It’s gonna be hard to find motors for the 200’s. They’re expensive and not abundant. The STC for the 700/900 would take too long as well. The 175’s are still on track to be delivered. DHL side is doing well and paying well from what I’ve heard. I’m sure if Mesa proves themself reliable we will be awarded more 73’s. Possibly however take it with a grain of salt as it’s just a long running rumor, 767’s. I wouldn’t be surprised if JO eventually moves more into cargos operations and either remain or shrink the passenger side. The profit margins are much higher with freight.

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Old 10-02-2020 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BigZ
700 and 900 ride nose down on the ground, makes loading harder. 200 sits flat
You really think this is a consideration or even true?

Diversification is king. JO knows this and is pursuing that. I personally have no desire to do anything other than PAX but that's me. I'll stick around till I can't.
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Old 10-02-2020 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
You really think this is a consideration or even true?

Diversification is king. JO knows this and is pursuing that. I personally have no desire to do anything other than PAX but that's me. I'll stick around till I can't.
It’s absolutely a consideration, it’s why the A330-200F has the nose blister, to raise the nose while on the ground. You could develop a powered winch, but it adds cost and complexity, while -200s are available by the truckload in Kingman.
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Old 10-04-2020 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Avgeek7248
It’s gonna be hard to find motors for the 200’s. They’re expensive and not abundant. The STC for the 700/900 would take too long as well. The 175’s are still on track to be delivered. DHL side is doing well and paying well from what I’ve heard. I’m sure if Mesa proves themself reliable we will be awarded more 73’s. Possibly however take it with a grain of salt as it’s just a long running rumor, 767’s. I wouldn’t be surprised if JO eventually moves more into cargos operations and either remain or shrink the passenger side. The profit margins are much higher with freight.

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today they are. 9 months ago Atlas was parking many freighters due to low demand and poor margins. Nothing last forever... the 737-400’s margin I don’t believe will even make money for Mesa but get them in the door.

75/76. Anything is possible but probably not reasonable. Huge startup costs and competition just to secure the planes, not to mention money to convert them. The 75/76 is worthless unless you secure ETOPS which would take years and hundreds of millions to obtain. I don’t see that being viable - but then again it is 2020.
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Old 10-04-2020 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
You really think this is a consideration or even true?
Straight from the FAQ from the people that developed the STC. Randomly saw it back when it was news
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Old 10-04-2020 | 08:12 AM
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today they are. 9 months ago Atlas was parking many freighters due to low demand and poor margins. Nothing last forever... the 737-400’s margin I don’t believe will even make money for Mesa but get them in the door.

75/76. Anything is possible but probably not reasonable. Huge startup costs and competition just to secure the planes, not to mention money to convert them. The 75/76 is worthless unless you secure ETOPS which would take years and hundreds of millions to obtain. I don’t see that being viable - but then again it is 2020.

Atlas parking was due to lack of pilots to service the contracts which quickly began to vanish. COVID saved Atlas from ponying up a real contract.

I guess all those 75/76's that Fedex runs around this hemisphere only are worthless too.

I guess we should tell the 2-3 operators (not including Mesa if true) that are already moving into, or already running in, the 76 markets that it's a bad idea.
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Old 10-05-2020 | 03:55 AM
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ETOPs doesn't take years or hundreds of millions to obtain. That's a completely absurd statement.
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Old 10-05-2020 | 03:23 PM
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Voluntary leaves are still being offered. Is that a sign still not enough people going to take leaves and possibly another concession in Jan?
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