Mesa issues warn notice to pilots
09-13-2020 | 08:49 AM
#881
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I read the MOU - you missed the line that said no furloughs or downgrades for the duration of the MOU. Go read it. There is downgrade protection.
My main reason for posting here is to correct misinformation. You are spreading misinformation.
Moving average on TSA numbers is a stable 30% - it's not climbing.
The reserve count means nothing. Next month with reduced flying it could be 600 reserves - we just do not know that yet.
My main reason for posting here is to correct misinformation. You are spreading misinformation.
Moving average on TSA numbers is a stable 30% - it's not climbing.
The reserve count means nothing. Next month with reduced flying it could be 600 reserves - we just do not know that yet.
I might be missing it but where does it say no downgrades? I only see no displacements.
09-13-2020 | 09:08 AM
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If you read our contract displacement is from base, STATUS or equipment. There IS downgrade protection in the MOU. Don't let that misinformation be your reason for a NO vote.
09-13-2020 | 09:10 AM
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Nice. What I love about the boards. Just saying we work for a company who plays fast and loose with details. Seems prudent to delineate that a displacement indeed includes a straight downgrade since the contract language includes the term downgrade a number of times. I thought his point was a valid one to at least discuss.
09-13-2020 | 09:14 AM
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Nice. What I love about the boards. Just saying we work for a company who plays fast and loose with details. Seems prudent to delineate that a displacement indeed includes a straight downgrade since the contract language includes the term downgrade a number of times. I thought his point was a valid one to at least discuss.
09-13-2020 | 09:20 AM
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Fair enough, good clarification. I still lean hard on the fact that separating the pilot group by aircraft platform isn’t a good look in terms of transparency or collective bargaining. Plus I think it helps set a dangerous precedent.
09-13-2020 | 09:22 AM
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I get what you say about the 737 but in reality that isn't an established operation at this point. It's a bunch of guys in training.
09-13-2020 | 09:30 AM
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Law of primacy - we nip bad habits in the bud in training before they grow up right? Why let this little fox in the garden in the first place? I don’t think any of us knows where this thing will be 6 months from now. I’m not trying to Monday morning quarterback the deal these guys made, but there’s just a couple of things that have me scratching my head. It sounds more like a draft of something the company proposed and less like a deal that got hashed out after a lot of negotiating.
09-13-2020 | 09:34 AM
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Even though I like your explanation and it is logical to assume, in what document is it actually defined in that way (FAA or company). Last I checked its not. You’re asking me to trust a company that undermines our current contract regularly based on lingo. JO plays fast and loss with this type of stuff and the union does nothing. Just look at the IAH pilots sitting reserve in IAD. All bc one word in the contract. The company never operates in good faith.
09-13-2020 | 09:35 AM
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Did you read the MOU? There is no protection from downgrades. The company and the union are trying to pull a fast one. Says no downgrades in the email but in the MOU it only mentions displacements and furloughs. This is a ****ty deal with no protection. There is nothing preventing the Company from extending it either. The union can extend it without your vote in Dec.
Also, every CRJ cross over would have to do the training footprint (2 weeks of systems, week of Sipp, sims) 6 week min. Each pilot will cost the company $48,000+ to cross train. And you can only train about 20-25 a week. Calling Johnny-O’s bluff. A furlough will hurt the stock price and he has majority shares.
There is only around 260 pilots on reserve company wide. XJT is gone at the end of the month and C5 is only approved for 10 airports in Oct. Also how are Nov and Dec slow months? One of the busiest times of the yr. And I dont know about you but my loads have been pretty full lately and TSA numbers have climbed above 30% (yr-to-yr) and increasing.
Voting No!!!
Also, every CRJ cross over would have to do the training footprint (2 weeks of systems, week of Sipp, sims) 6 week min. Each pilot will cost the company $48,000+ to cross train. And you can only train about 20-25 a week. Calling Johnny-O’s bluff. A furlough will hurt the stock price and he has majority shares.
There is only around 260 pilots on reserve company wide. XJT is gone at the end of the month and C5 is only approved for 10 airports in Oct. Also how are Nov and Dec slow months? One of the busiest times of the yr. And I dont know about you but my loads have been pretty full lately and TSA numbers have climbed above 30% (yr-to-yr) and increasing.
Voting No!!!
And with that you'll be looking at roughly 100-150 downgrades. And a considerable displacement of the senior PHX guys to DFW or other bases, in both seats.
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