what’s even going on in this thread anymore

 

We are keeping ourselves busy until the 15 September vote. 😜

JO babyshark’s vs. Cobra Kai

 

Doesn't matter how much flying is down. Mesa makes money even if there is only 1 pax on board.

As long as our planes keep flying.

United NEEDS to keep flying their brand, we are way cheaper than anybody else. Our flying will increase on the United side because XpressJet won't be flying out of Houston anymore. Republic lost their IAH base. Flying in IAD is way up this month.

Mesa HAS money, they just reported a profit for the last 2 quarters.

Don't be fooled, J.O. wants to fool YOU.

VOTE NO, NO CONCESSIONS!!!

 

I rest my case!

 

You just gotta break nasty on everyone eh?

 

We are in a losing fight with no leverage. I get that Mesa has money. It’s a business. If there’s any expense to cut it will be cut. The most they can get from us they will take.

They don’t want the training churn 490 furloughs will generate and the MOU is cheaper for the company than the furloughs when you crunch the numbers. However, absent an MOU they will furlough and unless you are in the top 30 pct you will be negatively impacted.

The company’s success is yours
as well.

 

There WON'T be 490 furloughs by October or November this year.

I bet 1000 bucks. Are you IN? LET'S DO it!!!
or make it 10 grand? Put your money where your words are!!!

Stop spreading RIDICULOUS scare tactics from the company.

8 hours concessions won't safe the company from furloughs if things are as bad as you think they are.


By the way, EVERYONE is already NEGATIVELY affected.

I already lost at least 15 hours of pay the past couple of month. My expenses are higher, commuting sucks. My flying is less, yet I'm spending more time commuting for the lack of flights.

Tell the Union to increase LOA hours, and more senior people making $110 per hour will bite. That's more effective than stealing 8 hours from every pilot.

Senior pilots cost more money, not only in hourly wages, but all the expenses associated with social benefits, vacation, sick pay, etc.

Senior pilots have better schedules, have more days off, and are able to pick up more overtime as a result of this. Heck, I'm at 94 hours credit for this month already, yet still having 14 days off.

​There is no need having 250ish pilots on reserve. Cutting 8 hours and keeping everyone on board won't safe the company IF THINGS ARE SO BAD.

I say it again, most MESA PLANES ARE FLYING. Yes, they are flying less. As of October, our share on the United side WILL increase. Express jet will be gone in IAH. IAD has already increased as a result of United awarding us more flying this month.

We ARE the cheapest express carrier for a reason. Mainline loves us for this reason. Our flying won't disappear come October.


Please EXPLAIN to me why Mesa hasn't sent Warn Notices out by now?

Also let me know where we deposit the 1 or 10 grand for the upcoming furlough bet. 🤑🤑🤑





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I agree that 490 furloughs and not imminent. However by January unless something drastically changes with demand the 490 is a conservative number.

We are a two carrier airline. United flying is at 50 pct of last year. AA at 40.

What you don’t seem to grasp is that September has been our best month since March. Future months are WAY LESS. We only need 50% of our current pilot staff to staff the flying we will have in October if you average it out system wide. It’s that bad.

On the AA side we only need 270 pilots TOTAL to staff October. Even if we need 500 on the United side that’s still HALF the current pilot group.

I don’t really care which way you vote. But I will tell you that the furlough number is no bluff. It’ll come in pieces to allow for training but it will come. The company has 3 options. PSP 2.0, this MOU or furlough.

Whether right or wrong the company feels that they won’t be required to issue WARN notices.

I did suggest to my rep an increased credit VLOA. You say Sr guys will jump on it. Well this MOU gives that to them. If they bid reserve then long call, call me last they won’t be used and they’ll get 68 hours to stay home.

The company is trying to position itself for profit. It’ll survive regardless. But it wants to win. We don’t need to be adversarial and so far I don’t see the company taking that stance. I see them open and communicative.

My personal selfish interest is in avoiding the downgrade. I’m looking at this:

I’ve also had a huge pay cut due to being at min credit.

Psp 2.0 - no additional pay cut
MOU: 7.5 pct pay cut.
Furlough: 50% pay cut.

not to mention my friends who will be much worse off with a 100% pay cut.

I did some rough math. The 8 hours across the board comes within 20 pct of the savings from a 490 furlough using the company’s downgrade numbers.

Again vote for your best interest. But do vote.

 

Even if your numbers are right, 20% savings is NOTHING if the company is bleeding ca$h.

A company exists to make money. Otherwise, $hut it down. Simple as that.

What are you going to do if you lose your job and can't pay your bills? File for personal bankruptcy, or stand every weekend at a Costco exit and beg for money with a "Airline pilot lost job" sign?

Begging for money, that's what Mesa is doing with this 8 hour crap.

If there are NO furloughs anyways until January, why do I need to subsidize the balance sheet of Mesa?

As far as I'm aware, they can't cut costs for 60 days after the Warn Notices go out. They can furlough you with a 14 day notice, bit still have to pay you min hours for those 2 month. I might be wrong there.

Would you prefer to collect 76 or 68 hours of pay for those 2 month?

If you vote yes, you're getting the latter.

Will there be furloughs? My personal opinion? Yes, I'm sure about that, if there ain't more government support.

How many? That depends on the flying awarded to us by our partners.

You and I don't know that.

Quite honestly, our partners don't know that. They have projections, but that can change over night to go either way.

What I know is that 20% pilot cost savings won't save us from Furloughs. That's what the company tries to convince you with.

It's way more cost effective to have 20% of our pilot group NOT having on 68 hours credit with all other expenses associated to it.

​​​​​​Be that with current LOA's, higher credit hours LOA's, voluntary Furloughs, Furloughs, or a combination of that.

20% of 1300 pilots, that's 260 pilots. Isn't that about the total number of reserve pilots?

If Mesa furloughs 260 pilots, that's a way higher cost saving going forward. What if flying picks up suddenly? Offer 200% if needed and run the company leaner. That's exactly what we were doing for the entire time of my employment right here at Mesa.

Going forward, we need 50% of our pilots going forward??? How is that math working out with your calculated 20% of pilot cost savings?


Let's assume you own a software company with 10 programmers, each making 100k per month. Business is suddenly down 50%.
Do you cut their salary by 20% and keep everyone employed? All now working 2.5 days per week? Or do you keep 5 programmers at 5 days/week working, and the other 5 sitting at home? Who knows, there suddenly could be a spike in business?

​​​​​​Your salary expenses went from 1 mil to 800k, yet your income stream is cut in half? Basically, your now losing 300k instead of 500k per month?

You ARE losing money, how does THAT make ANY sense?

In addition, your pi$$ing off 5 of your programmers by cutting their salary.

I would argue that you even pi$$ them off more by working full time while the other half is sitting at home doing NOTHING!


Is that REALLY what you would do?

If so, do you handle your private finances the same way?


Sorry for the typos LOL 😂😂.

 

"We are a two carrier airline. United flying is at 50 pct of last year. AA at 40."

What you don't understand is that it doesn't matter how much United and American is down.

Mesa gets paid IF planes are flying.

I'm an SURE that our UNITED side is flying more than our mothership, way more.

My commute used to have 5 daily departures. There last couple of month, there have been 2 per day. This month, Mesa does 1 of the 2 daily flights. That is from IAH and IAD.

So this month, THIS route is DOWN 80% for Mainline, and Mesa is UP 100%.

If there is too little express flying, United takes action. ExpressJet has been cut 100% from their flying.

Mesa floors the right size of aircraft at the LOWEST cost for mainline. I'm sure we BOTH agree to that. IF there is less flying to be shared, Mesa has the greatest advantage for survival.



On another note:

Aren't we a 3 carrier airline now???

Not only that, but does the 3rd carrier part of our pilot group help subsidize Mesa payroll if this ridiculous MOU passes?

Should I start typing up an Alpa grievance just in case?