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Old 07-31-2014 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
You wouldn't want to waste precious minutes asking technical questions during an interview (establishes a knowledge baseline and level of preparedness) or put them in a sim (do they have adequate instrument skills).
Because it saves money (lol), ya know because dropping people after extra sims is so cheap.

The only way Mesa can get enough people through the door is by literally not having any standards. A percentage of guys are competent, want to go there for bases, a perceived quick upgrade, whatever. Then there's the "others".

Whoo boy.
Old 07-31-2014 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
Because it saves money (lol), ya know because dropping people after extra sims is so cheap.

The only way Mesa can get enough people through the door is by literally not having any standards. A percentage of guys are competent, want to go there for bases, a perceived quick upgrade, whatever. Then there's the "others".

Whoo boy.
Yes...those "others" who are sent home to a life of trolling Mesa threads, hating on the people they would've been upgrading with on an EJet in a few short months.
Old 07-31-2014 | 02:29 PM
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My concern is with people who need to work at a place with no interview and a "very, very, forgiving" training department.
Old 07-31-2014 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
My concern is with people who need to work at a place with no interview and a "very, very, forgiving" training department.
What do you know about Mesa's training department? Have you ever written a comment about something you have actual knowledge of?
Old 07-31-2014 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
I for one am very glad Mesa does things the way they do--if someone can't make it through our very, very forgiving training department, they have no business flying my loved ones (or me) around in a friggin' jet--ever.

I'm seriously laughing out loud at how all the Mesa haters have such a chip on their shoulder about how we do interviews.

WHY do you care so much whether this PRIVATE company chooses to wash people out BEFORE or AFTER their hire date. WHYYYYYY?!?!?!??!
what makes you say mesa is so forgiving?
Old 07-31-2014 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
If you were so inclined, you could choose LAX one month then PHX the next then CLT then IAD after that, then Dallas. The only requirement is you have enough seniority for the base.
I wouldn't always count on being able to base hop like that--it only works when we're hiring and needing FOs in all bases.

Two things are going to happen later this year:

1) Last 900s on property
2) FO staffing levels (training bubble) to account for EJet/CRJ upgrades several months out could be achieved

Unless there's a big uptick in attrition or an acceleration of EJet deliveries (which could happen), base hopping might not work.

I'm just saying be cautious when doing that--the current pace of FO hiring and growth can't last forever, and "oh it's just LAX for a month brah" can quickly turn into months, years, lifetimes.

YMMV//just IMHO
Old 07-31-2014 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kprc1
What do you know about Mesa's training department? Have you ever written a comment about something you have actual knowledge of?
Hey champ. You read the posts above? I'm just repeating what flaps half speed is saying.

Try and keep up.
Old 07-31-2014 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
I for one am very glad Mesa does things the way they do--if someone can't make it through our very, very forgiving training department, they have no business flying my loved ones (or me) around in a friggin' jet--ever.

I'm seriously laughing out loud at how all the Mesa haters have such a chip on their shoulder about how we do interviews.

WHY do you care so much whether this PRIVATE company chooses to wash people out BEFORE or AFTER their hire date. WHYYYYYY?!?!?!??!
I don't care what they do, but I will always be here to inform prospective new hires that this is, in fact, the tactic.

If Mesa were my company, I'd be asking several questions. Why is there an incentive to waste money and resources on candidates that have no right being there in the first place? Is this waste characteristic of other parts of their business plan? Does the company care so little for their people that they risk putting a black mark on your career forever as a ploy to attract as many applicants as possible? In what other ways is the company putting all the risk on my future career and my certificates that all the other cheerleaders are hiding?

My question here is, why do you all immediately come to the defense of Mesa? You are allowed to have a critical opinion and one that is not fed to you by recruiters and managers. It's healthy and might actually eventually lead to contract and QOL gains.
Old 07-31-2014 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
Ummmmmm, that's it's very forgiving compared to most other regionals?



Did you want me to?
Maybe you should read who he was quoting.
Old 07-31-2014 | 03:04 PM
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I don't mean they're "very forgiving" in terms of standards. FaceBiter's gonna twist those words to no end now (jeez what is his beef with Mesa?!?!??!). So I deleted that post to save him/her some time.

By "forgiving" I meant they're much more willing to give people a few extra sim sessions, and a bit more time to study compared to many other regionals. They won't send you to the street unless you've proven again and again that you aren't going to hack it on the line.

Part of that is AQP, part of that is our training department's culture and the top notch people who work in it.

I don't mean to be a Mesa cheerleader--there are lots of things needing fixing around here--I'm just saying if you fail at Mesa you probably got the fairest shot possible in our training department, and you would very likely washout much quicker in a less forgiving/stingy training department and/or with some of the psycho check airmen at certain other 121 regionals with whom I am familiar.
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