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Old 02-26-2015 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by word302
Until you can comprehend that some people do not choose a regional based on upgrade time, you will never understand. You guys have one of the worst contracts in the industry. Your 76 seat rates are significantly less than several operator's 50 seat rates. I'm not bashing you, I want you to be better compensated. I want all regional pilots to be better compensated. You don't understand that your contract is hurting the industry. By undercutting everyone else, we lose the ability to negotiate.
Your right, if someone's goal is to be a regional lifer, by all means, go to Skywest, that's what your saying right?

Now for the rest of us who plan on being at mainline before 2020....Then going to a regional during a huge growth spurt, is smart, it worked for me and my friends here.

People love to use the word "undercutting."
But in actuality no one knows what one regional gets per lift compared to another.

What is fact is Skywest DID UNDERCUT Mesa for the PHX flying.
(It is operated as a lost by Skywest INC.)
Old 02-26-2015 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by word302
Until you can comprehend that some people do not choose a regional based on upgrade time, you will never understand. You guys have one of the worst contracts in the industry. Your 76 seat rates are significantly less than several operator's 50 seat rates. I'm not bashing you, I want you to be better compensated. I want all regional pilots to be better compensated. You don't understand that your contract is hurting the industry. By undercutting everyone else, we lose the ability to negotiate.
You're right. If you would like to be a long term regional pilot, then Mesa most likely isn't for you. Our contract is pretty bad, not the worst mind you, but pretty bad.

That being said there is a lot of good outside of a poor contract:
-No 50 Seaters to park, with more 7x seaters trickling online
-Decent work environment/great group of pilots
-Seniority rising quickly on the FO side, allowing for decent QOL/Bidding
-Great training department
-Decently stable, new, codeshare agreements.



All of that being said, uh, who really wants to be a regional lifer outside of a small set of given circumstances (older, 2nd career change comes to mind). If you're not looking to be a long-term regional guy, and you're of a suitable age/marketability for the Majors/International/Overseas carriers, then you absolutely want to get to that left seat and start building TPIC to move on.

The lovely Skywest contract is the best in the regional industry, but you're still a regional. The elitism that you all spew around is just nuts. We all make peanuts, at least we don't have a complex about it over here at YV.
Old 02-26-2015 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jrwit
You're right. If you would like to be a long term regional pilot, then Mesa most likely isn't for you. Our contract is pretty bad, not the worst mind you, but pretty bad.

That being said there is a lot of good outside of a poor contract:
-No 50 Seaters to park, with more 7x seaters trickling online
-Decent work environment/great group of pilots
-Seniority rising quickly on the FO side, allowing for decent QOL/Bidding
-Great training department
-Decently stable, new, codeshare agreements.


All of that being said, uh, who really wants to be a regional lifer outside of a small set of given circumstances (older, 2nd career change comes to mind). If you're not looking to be a long-term regional guy, and you're of a suitable age/marketability for the Majors/International/Overseas carriers, then you absolutely want to get to that left seat and start building TPIC to move on.

The lovely Skywest contract is the best in the regional industry, but you're still a regional. The elitism that you all spew around is just nuts. We all make peanuts, at least we don't have a complex about it over here at YV.
You can call it whatever you want. I will make close to 50k as a 2nd year FO. The upgrade will come, I'm not worried about it. In the meantime, I can feed my family and actually afford the company healthcare. Guys with no TPIC are already getting picked up by the legacies, that trend will only get better in the coming years. I guess if that's elitism, call me elite.
Old 02-26-2015 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by prior121
And it's hilarious because none of these clowns saying negative things even freaking work here.
How much are they paying you to be the captain of a 76 seat jet? I know Kingair drivers who make more than that.

"But I'm loggin PIC time son"

Never mind.
Old 02-26-2015 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by word302
Skywest has IAH and PHX bases and you won't hate your life after a few months.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Lololololololololololololololololololololololololo lol
And if you're at Skywest you'll have more than 7 years in the right seat regretting your decision. But hey at least you'll "think" you're at the "best" regional airline.
Old 02-26-2015 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Duct Mon
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Lololololololololololololololololololololololololo lol
And if you're at Skywest you'll have more than 7 years in the right seat regretting your decision. But hey at least you'll "think" you're at the "best" regional airline.
Yes and while you're "paying your dues", I'll be getting paid.
Old 02-26-2015 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Duct Mon
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Lololololololololololololololololololololololololo lol
And if you're at Skywest you'll have more than 7 years in the right seat regretting your decision. But hey at least you'll "think" you're at the "best" regional airline.
What are you talking about they are the best airline in the world! I mean who wouldn't want to work with these guys and their awesome attitudes??

Question: Do they teach you to drink your own Kool-aid and give each other handies in SKW indoc???
Old 02-26-2015 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by word302
Yes and while you're "paying your dues", I'll be getting paid.
See. I tried to be reasoned and level headed in my response and then, in typical Skywest fashion, you started spewing vitriol about a company you chose not to work for.

So fine. While you're 'getting paid', I'll have paid my dues, upgraded, and moved on to actually getting paid and treated properly. In the mean time I sure won't have to worry about watching my company shrink around me....all so I could "get paid" and pretend like I work at something other than a regional.
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Originally Posted by word302
Yes and while you're "paying your dues", I'll be getting paid.
Enjoy your long career at Skywest you clown. You don't get it. Regional airlines are a career stepping stone. In 3 years I'll be CA and have 1000 hrs TPIC while interviewing at the majors. You'll have 2000 hrs SIC making $37 per hour. Woohoo!!! You've won the lottery. Good luck with your great contract and pay over there.
Old 02-26-2015 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by word302
Yes and while you're "paying your dues", I'll be getting paid.
LMFAO listen to money bags Morris over here. He makes almost $50k/year!

What are you going to do with that mountain of cash man? Buy a trophy wife? Or maybe a Tesla? Or you could buy a bigger pair of balls to make up for that little man syndrome you got going on.

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