Yea $92,000 a year plus perdiem is horrible. Damn man that's almost poverty-sheesh

 

Nice reference

 

United intranet webiste had an article about MESA flying some (30 I think) of the new airplanes. Skywest is gonna fly some of the ones UA did not purchase (40).

Sorry I can't link the article.

But Hurray anyway!

 

i'm just trying to help newbies be realistic. If one thinks that mesa pilots will get raises or anything in their negotiations to fly these jets, they are crazy. mgmt will use these jets as a reason to take concessions. If one doesn't understand history, they are doomed to repeat it. Also, because these are mainline owned nothing is guaranteed, they always put grey language in to the contracts so they can do whatever they want. If someone doesn't understand this, they don't understand business

 

Some of your business logic Is flawed. Mesa has never taken concessions to fly new equipment or when they filed bankruptcy.

I do agree that UAL will have some sort of "grey language " in those contracts .

 

Since the mods unfairly (but predictably) deleted my response, but not your original flamebait, let me repeat my response slightly nicer. It's utterly clueless of you to have no perspective of what regional pilots and this industry have been through since 2000. Just because you're new and think you have it so good at Mesa maybe you should do more listening and less talking until you get a deeper perspective. At a regional like ASA where upgrades happen at 8+ years, 13 years isn't that much. The mainline furloughs in the early 2000s and age 65 causing 8 years of stagnation sure didn't help. But the up side is that we have a liveable contract in the even that the economy takes another dump, or there's another terrorist attack and the industry implodes again. I hope it works out for you at Mesa, and I mean that as sarcastically as possible.

 

Not to mention ASA and Air whiskey were once places where a career could happen. Mesa was never at that level since they were putting 300 hour Arizona state grads in the right seat when they were growing. The purpose was never for them to stick around. Meanwhile at air Wisconsin the 146 guys signed contract 2000 and had projected captain rates at 136/hour.. Perspective is key here, kids.

 

I would consider contract 2003 to be a substantial concession to secure flying. (Freedom A's flying). Absolutely necessary, but concessions none the less.

 

All Arizona State grads come out with a CFII and most have/had over 1000 hrs before being hired. Perhaps you are confusing ASU with san juan college grads?

Mesa has literally hundreds who have made it a career. Low 100k (20 year scale!) may not be what you or I consider 'career' pay, but for them it is. Like you condescendingly say in your post - perspective is key (kids?).

 

Are Mesa folks going to be chasing the under wing engines and bidding over to the 175, or will the new A/C go junior? It's a nice carrot for new hires!