NetJets Hiring Process
01-12-2022 | 08:10 PM
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jtf,
While I agree entirely with the rest of your post, the part quoted above is potentially misleading. You can’t just take a NJ pilot one day, sprinkle holy water on them and POOF, they’re a qualified instructor the next day. It is an arduous process and would require (amongst other things like curriculum development and FAA approval) removing both potential instructors AND the train-the-trainers from the line while the process is built. This can easily take months and would do nothing for the short-term pain except exacerbate the shortage of pilots on the line. While it is an admirable goal, it should be done carefully and absent a staffing crisis such as exists right now.
While I agree entirely with the rest of your post, the part quoted above is potentially misleading. You can’t just take a NJ pilot one day, sprinkle holy water on them and POOF, they’re a qualified instructor the next day. It is an arduous process and would require (amongst other things like curriculum development and FAA approval) removing both potential instructors AND the train-the-trainers from the line while the process is built. This can easily take months and would do nothing for the short-term pain except exacerbate the shortage of pilots on the line. While it is an admirable goal, it should be done carefully and absent a staffing crisis such as exists right now.
01-17-2022 | 03:08 PM
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Case in point is how Delta dropped its degree requirement. What's that tell us...it's a dawg fight hiring pilots.
01-17-2022 | 07:12 PM
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NetJets Hiring Process
This was a paper idea. Meaning it never came to fruition in real life, only on paper. Again, to build this from ground level to the flight levels would take much resources from the training department. Let's not forget the removal of valuable pilots from line flying that we'd be ever more behind the hiring and keep pilot curve.
Case in point is how Delta dropped its degree requirement. What's that tell us...it's a dawg fight hiring pilots.
Case in point is how Delta dropped its degree requirement. What's that tell us...it's a dawg fight hiring pilots.
This was more than a paper idea. Pre-covid, there were FOs teaching international procedures to large cabin. It’s a 3 day course during large cabin aircraft initial training. I don’t know who’s teaching Int’l Proc now or if FOs are still doing it post covid.
I believe an FO was also being used for teaching systems in one of the fleets. Not 100% on that since they weren’t in my fleet.
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01-18-2022 | 11:08 AM
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This was more than a paper idea. Pre-covid, there were FOs teaching international procedures to large cabin. It’s a 3 day course during large cabin aircraft initial training. I don’t know who’s teaching Int’l Proc now or if FOs are still doing it post covid.
I believe an FO was also being used for teaching systems in one of the fleets. Not 100% on that since they weren’t in my fleet.
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I believe an FO was also being used for teaching systems in one of the fleets. Not 100% on that since they weren’t in my fleet.
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More recently, some E-A (formerly known as CA) were being trained in the Sim to perform checking duties as an FSI instructor would and that idea shutdown.
Bodies are needed out on the line. Doesn't mean one day, but not any time soon.
01-19-2022 | 02:50 AM
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I was strictly referring to Sim training. Came close to releasing a bid for FO to become Sim instructors, but never happened.
More recently, some E-A (formerly known as CA) were being trained in the Sim to perform checking duties as an FSI instructor would and that idea shutdown.
Bodies are needed out on the line. Doesn't mean one day, but not any time soon.
More recently, some E-A (formerly known as CA) were being trained in the Sim to perform checking duties as an FSI instructor would and that idea shutdown.
Bodies are needed out on the line. Doesn't mean one day, but not any time soon.
Gotcha. You’re right I don’t know if any of them working the sim. I do know some of the CMH folks from the training Dept recently got signed off to work the sim but they’re mgmt so I doubt they ever will.
I’d prefer to see our pilots do all of the training and we just lease the sims from FSI. FSI seems seems they’re usually seem the choke point for our expansion. It is what it is while playing “keep it all in the Berkshire Hathaway family” money circle.
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01-19-2022 | 08:31 AM
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Our pilots make too much money compared to FSI instructor'sto include our FO's. They would have to be severely short for this to happen. I don't see this happening. They could even give them a raise and it would be still cheaper.
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01-19-2022 | 01:02 PM
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Our pilots make too much money compared to FSI instructor'sto include our FO's. They would have to be severely short for this to happen. I don't see this happening. They could even give them a raise and it would be still cheaper.
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01-19-2022 | 03:47 PM
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Sure agree it would be awesome to have our own instructors in the box. Leave FSI guys in the classroom.
But as said, we make to much coin to be spinning circle on a computer screen.
To be effective we'd have to leave a TR or CA in there for months to get and keep proficient profiles used under those 2 hours blocks per pilot. Think how negative and frustrating the training would become if a TR was there and sucked at running the box, cause they were there for a few tours then on the line and repeat.
FSI can't keep people cause they don't pay well and treatment of employees. ICT has no problem keeping instructors and the morale is high. Don't forget, we are talking about Wichita.
Our focus is how to keep our recent hires at the 2 - 5 years hired point. But that's a whole different thread.
But as said, we make to much coin to be spinning circle on a computer screen.
To be effective we'd have to leave a TR or CA in there for months to get and keep proficient profiles used under those 2 hours blocks per pilot. Think how negative and frustrating the training would become if a TR was there and sucked at running the box, cause they were there for a few tours then on the line and repeat.
FSI can't keep people cause they don't pay well and treatment of employees. ICT has no problem keeping instructors and the morale is high. Don't forget, we are talking about Wichita.
Our focus is how to keep our recent hires at the 2 - 5 years hired point. But that's a whole different thread.
01-20-2022 | 06:45 AM
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I’m sure this is buried somewhere in this thread, but has anyone recently conducted a virtual interview? If so, could you shed some light in what can be expected? Have one scheduled for next week. TIA!
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