Flyfalcons

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MinRest

NetJets has dumped almost 1,000 pilots off the roster in the last 5 years and it is continuing. Airplanes don't equal growth at NJA like they do at an airline. The pilot group isn't growing. Pilot growth is what equals movement at NJA and it isn't happening. I assume what he means by retirements, he means predictable retirements, to which he is correct. No mandatory retirement, and no growth, means no predictable movement.

MinRest

And those 1,000 could fly another 15-20 years.

shrsailplanes

This is difficult to understand. Adding square footage to an office building means bodies to occupy the new space. Adding airplanes should mean adding bodies. How does NetJets propose to operate additional aircraft without more pilots?

MWilliams

NJA had 3,300+ pilots in 2015?

FNGFO

Supposing all that is true, and it isn’t, NJ’s has a contract and NN has knee pads. Advantage NJ’s.

Btw, the turnover rate for NN’s pilot group in the first 18 months is atrocious as most realize they’re going to be sentenced to years upon years of Phenom time before sniffing the left seat in anything bigger sans...kneepads. Covid will curve that, but it’ll be right back to the “get a type and leave ASAP routine” once our regularly scheduled programming resumes.

Last point, the market share of each company is largely static. Has been for a long time and will continue to be.

shrsailplanes

Although it is certainly possible to maintain a first class medical to 73-78 years of age, I think it is improbable that the bulk of that 1000 pilot group will want to work that long. That coupled with the restrictions in place for the international flying mentioned in this thread further reduce the likelihood of all those pilots staying on beyond retirement age in my opinion.

MinRest

Remember voting in the thing that incentivized not fatiguing, because you will make more money if you keep flying? Well, that fixed the glitch of hiring, as clearly evidenced by NJA not hiring to increase the size of the pilot group. They're covering the flying with fewer pilots How many pilots were hired versus pilots that left in 2019? 2020? Do you think 2021 is going to mark a mass pilot hiring initiative to expand? The rumor is the exact opposite...

Adding airplanes does add bodies when you have a forumla that dictates such. NJA knows the numbers they need for staffing now. If they needed pilots, they would hire, correct? Why would NJA be potentially offering an early out if they were desperate for bodies to operate these airplanes? I forgot what the formula of pilots per airplane staffing level, that NJA had when I was there. That number has changed significantly with fatigues being reduced. Also, at the moment, flying has not returned to normal, which is probably their motivation for potentially offering an early out.

How many aircraft does NJA have on property currently? Without significant additions to fleet size, the pilot group will not increase in size.

C2078

Easy. Because aircraft disposals will continue to match evenly with new aircraft. Maybe a small net gain, but still lots of old airframes to dispose. Combine that with NJ slowly getting down to the 5 pilot min per airplane and bingo, you shed hundreds of pilots.

MWilliams

Your source for this information?