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Old 08-10-2022, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by germanaviator View Post
​​​​​​Who is our favorite Canadian and what's that pseudo block or better you mentioned?
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/06/berkshire-ceo-designate-abel-sells-stake-in-energy-company-he-led-for-870-million.html

FDP block or better starts today. As long as you go over by 18 minutes.
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Old 08-10-2022, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by HeavyD View Post
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/06/berkshire-ceo-designate-abel-sells-stake-in-energy-company-he-led-for-870-million.html

FDP block or better starts today. As long as you go over by 18 minutes.
Thanks. Appreciate it
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Old 09-09-2022, 11:32 AM
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According to NJA and the union leadership, there is no money to pay competitive compensation. I could have sworn I've heard this before. The company is hinting at an IBI23 and 600 planes by the end of next year to try and entice new hires to stay instead of leaving for a regional where they will make 20-30% more immediately. The bonanza in soft money isn't quite what was alluded to at the expos.

What am I leaving out?
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Old 09-09-2022, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by HeavyD View Post
According to NJA and the union leadership, there is no money to pay competitive compensation. I could have sworn I've heard this before. The company is hinting at an IBI23 and 600 planes by the end of next year to try and entice new hires to stay instead of leaving for a regional where they will make 20-30% more immediately. The bonanza in soft money isn't quite what was alluded to at the expos.

What am I leaving out?
What is IBB?

A method that appears to negotiate in good faith, where the company and labor appear to have the same goals, where a slightly “cost plus” agreement under a variable cost structure is framed in the company’s interest.

What is NJASAP?

An organization that appears to operate as a labor union, but in reality is managed by a toxic group of management supporting sycophants, appearing to act in the pilot’s best interest.

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NJA is probably one of the most successful companies in aviation, flying around the wealthiest people in the world.
No money available for increased pilot compensation? Really?

NJA pilots deserve the best. The money is there, but you will all have to fight for it.
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Old 09-09-2022, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RimonaGregie View Post
What is IBB?

A method that appears to negotiate in good faith, where the company and labor appear to have the same goals, where a slightly “cost plus” agreement under a variable cost structure is framed in the company’s interest.

What is NJASAP?

An organization that appears to operate as a labor union, but in reality is managed by a toxic group of management supporting sycophants, appearing to act in the pilot’s best interest.

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NJA is probably one of the most successful companies in aviation, flying around the wealthiest people in the world.
No money available for increased pilot compensation? Really?

NJA pilots deserve the best. The money is there, but you will all have to fight for it.
The last IBI cost the company more in pilot pay increases per year than the 2015 contract increases over the 2007 contract. It brought a lot of money to the pilots, mostly for another 3 years of extension. I fully admit that inflation is now eating up a lot of the gains.

The current union leadership at NJASAP does what the union tells them to do via surveys. They have been told by the union members to work with management and mostly cooperate. If the union members tell them to go to war against the company in an adversarial way like in 2015, they will do that. For that to happen, the union members need to let them know that is what they want on the surveys. There is a new survey now. Answer your phone and let them know how you feel. The majority of pilots don't feel as you do. That may be changing, but it hasn't shown on the surveys.

Is there money for raises? I believe there will be when management sees attrition increase and the ability to hire decrease. That isn't the case now. That will likely be the case soon. The company will become more profitable with growth and have more money for raises at a later time without having to crank up the prices, but I'm sure they could raise the prices enough and squeeze their profits enough now to give a healthy raise if they have the motivation. I'm not against a more aggressive union stance, but I would like the attrition/ hiring motivation to have time to loosen the purse strings while slowly heating things up through the union. I think the union should go aggressive now for crew food issues and for bringing the company to do there pay off the job and not leave the pilots hanging when they screw daily operations up so much. After that is settled, then the union can start to tighten the screws for pay. I want more money yesterday, but I don't support a full on 2015 style campaign yet.
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Old 09-09-2022, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jtf560 View Post
The last IBI cost the company more in pilot pay increases per year than the 2015 contract increases over the 2007 contract. It brought a lot of money to the pilots, mostly for another 3 years of extension. I fully admit that inflation is now eating up a lot of the gains.

The current union leadership at NJASAP does what the union tells them to do via surveys. They have been told by the union members to work with management and mostly cooperate. If the union members tell them to go to war against the company in an adversarial way like in 2015, they will do that. For that to happen, the union members need to let them know that is what they want on the surveys. There is a new survey now. Answer your phone and let them know how you feel. The majority of pilots don't feel as you do. That may be changing, but it hasn't shown on the surveys.

Is there money for raises? I believe there will be when management sees attrition increase and the ability to hire decrease. That isn't the case now. That will likely be the case soon. The company will become more profitable with growth and have more money for raises at a later time without having to crank up the prices, but I'm sure they could raise the prices enough and squeeze their profits enough now to give a healthy raise if they have the motivation. I'm not against a more aggressive union stance, but I would like the attrition/ hiring motivation to have time to loosen the purse strings while slowly heating things up through the union. I think the union should go aggressive now for crew food issues and for bringing the company to do there pay off the job and not leave the pilots hanging when they screw daily operations up so much. After that is settled, then the union can start to tighten the screws for pay. I want more money yesterday, but I don't support a full on 2015 style campaign yet.
Well said, I agree with most of what you posted.
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Old 09-09-2022, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RimonaGregie View Post
What is IBB?

A method that appears to negotiate in good faith, where the company and labor appear to have the same goals, where a slightly “cost plus” agreement under a variable cost structure is framed in the company’s interest.

What is NJASAP?

An organization that appears to operate as a labor union, but in reality is managed by a toxic group of management supporting sycophants, appearing to act in the pilot’s best interest.

***

NJA is probably one of the most successful companies in aviation, flying around the wealthiest people in the world.
No money available for increased pilot compensation? Really?

NJA pilots deserve the best. The money is there, but you will all have to fight for it.
I understand the points you are making. We definitely have some career politician/pilots. So do most unions.
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Old 09-10-2022, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RimonaGregie View Post
What is IBB?

A method that appears to negotiate in good faith, where the company and labor appear to have the same goals, where a slightly “cost plus” agreement under a variable cost structure is framed in the company’s interest.

What is NJASAP?

An organization that appears to operate as a labor union, but in reality is managed by a toxic group of management supporting sycophants, appearing to act in the pilot’s best interest.

***

NJA is probably one of the most successful companies in aviation, flying around the wealthiest people in the world.
No money available for increased pilot compensation? Really?

NJA pilots deserve the best. The money is there, but you will all have to fight for it.
Oh look, a poster who joined APC just last month and on his third post is trashing NJASAP leadership, a leadership team who have gotten us more gains than any leadership since the original SU group who forged our original path as our own independent union.

Some people just want to burn the place down. Or in this case, destroy our unity.

There's definitely some who are management sycophants. They make it pretty clear in their writing.
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Old 09-10-2022, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Pervis View Post
We had a guy who carried a food scale and weighed every category daily. He claimed he was making $7000/year on grievances when awards were 10/15/20 bucks for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. He also lost his job when his bs cost a very high end long term customer an important meeting. Another lost his job when he demanded he could have a sit down meal between airline legs and got a bunch of after midnights.

Pick your battles wisely. Anyone who says they don’t get enough food while working for Netjets could probably afford to lose a few pounds. Too many crew members rely too much on elastic waistband slacks
For anyone reading who is wondering about the pilot fired who was carrying around the scale,, Pervis is correct in that his BS got him fired. But to be clear, it was NOT because of the grievances or even that he insisted on getting food. It's a pretty long and involved case, but long story short, it was the way he went about getting the food.

We're allowed to set the parking brake and get food. Yes, even delay a client to do it. But you have to use some common sense, work to minimize the delay, and when in doubt ALWAYS contact a steward for guidance. If you need nourishment and the company has failed to provide it, you have every right to obtain it before the flight. But if you decide the only thing will do is to eat at a sit-down restaurant for an hour, not tell anyone that's what you're doing, and turn off your electronic devices so you're not contact able while you're eating, well, let's hope your resume skills are still sharp.
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Old 09-16-2022, 07:40 AM
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So, we went from experienced pilots to exemplary pilots. I think we need exemplary compensation.
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